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Thread: Should Kavanaugh be confirmed for SCOTUS?

  1. #151
    Watching the hearing, I can't help but think that that decrepit rodent Grassley is doing himself a disservice with his asinine and tone-deaf rants. It is also extremely telling that he feels comfortable telling outright lies eg. when trying to cast both Ford and Ramirez as being uncooperative.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  2. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  3. #153
    He is just pissed an educated and well spoken woman is getting more attention today than he is.

    He'll pull the nomination and play it as being the savior.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  4. #154
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  5. #155
    what did they think was going to happen?
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    Into kingdom come

  6. #156
    We have people in my library watching it live. Using their precious allotment of internet time to follow this. Thats crazy.

    America is going to remember this day for a long time.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  7. #157
    Important points:

    - she contacted her rep when Kavanaugh was just in a list of likely candidates.

    - if you're making up a story, it's kinda dumb to make up a story involving a third party—who's a friend of the person you're accusing—who can refute your story.

    - Grassley has repeatedly said that the "I have no recollection" statements were made under penalty of felony. Regardless of whether or not this is true, "I don't recall" isn't a dangerous lie.

    - Mitchell accurately observes that this is a truly dumb way to interview a victim of sexual assault.

    - it is despite to accuse a white man of sexual assault just to score a free polygraph test.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  8. #158
    This is not the anger of an innocent man. This is the anger of a guilty man who never dreamed he'd be held accountable.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  9. #159
    Regardless, it is persuasive to a certain personality type. So far it's the equivalent of a campaign speech or fluff interview. Wrt evidentiary value so far nothing new, but, though we might mock his calendars, they should be worth examining in detail and compared with what we know about his habits from his friends and acquaintances. Senators have to penetrate the events that led to Whelan's attempt to frame an innocent man. He's doing a decent job of trying to defuse the yearbook stuff though.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  10. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    This is not the anger of an innocent man. This is the anger of a guilty man who never dreamed he'd be held accountable.
    The problem is I'd have thought the two would be rather indistinguishable. The issue is not whether Kavanaugh is believable or not but was Ford believable or not. She was.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  11. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The problem is I'd have thought the two would be rather indistinguishable. The issue is not whether Kavanaugh is believable or not but was Ford believable or not. She was.
    This is not the standard being applied. In the event that both appear believable, Republicans will have everything they need to defend confirming Kavanaugh.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  12. #162
    Maybe years ago, but they'll struggle after today. In the MeToo era simply saying he was credible is not enough if she is too.

    When you've got Fox News presenters of all sorts saying how they have been personally touched by this, it's not enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  13. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  14. #164
    Oh crap his response to Leahy's question about whether or not Kavanaugh would like Judge to be there testifying today... oh man.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  15. #165
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    We descended into hell
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  16. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...y-dubious.html

    Brett Kavanaugh is not on trial, he is applying for a job. No employer would give this guy a second thought with the sworn statements that are piling up against him. Hell, he has already been busted lying under oath, that right there should have been enough to get laughed out of consideration
    In high stakes politics? lol ok

  17. #167
    I can see why he appeals to Trump's base.
    There's a man goin' 'round, takin' names
    And he decides who to free and who to blame

  18. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Yes sure. Did you only here of sexual abuse today.? This tragically happens far too often, especially to vulnerable young women, but not only women. The victim wants to be accepted by her social group but is ashamed and believes they are somehow responsible for the attack that happened to them. They suffer in silence and don't report it to anyone.

    Are you seriously ignorant of the fact that the abused regularly return to their abusers?
    So what behavior would indicate an accuser story is less likely to be true?

  19. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Maybe years ago, but they'll struggle after today. In the MeToo era simply saying he was credible is not enough if she is too.

    When you've got Fox News presenters of all sorts saying how they have been personally touched by this, it's not enough.
    #himtoo might be a thing soon too

  20. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Lewk, got something you could use as an avatar.
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  21. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    So what behavior would indicate an accuser story is less likely to be true?
    Not being said under oath.

    The FBI should investigate from here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  22. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Not being said under oath.

    The FBI should investigate from here.
    RB you aren't from America so you may not understand what the FBI investigation actually entails. They sit down and give an interview, the FBI records the information. The FBI sends it on to the White House and Congress. That is literally it. The FBI does not give a verdict on the interviews, just merely states what was said.

  23. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Not being said under oath.

    The FBI should investigate from here.
    The entire purpose is to delay the appointment until AFTER the mid-terms. That is the ENTIRE purpose of asking the FBI to investigate. The FBI could have investigated 6 weeks ago but didn't.

    Here's the other issue, at any time the police (which has no statute of limitations in that state for this crime) can investigate. After an investigation congress could always have him impeached.

  24. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    RB you aren't from America so you may not understand what the FBI investigation actually entails. They sit down and give an interview, the FBI records the information. The FBI sends it on to the White House and Congress. That is literally it. The FBI does not give a verdict on the interviews, just merely states what was said.
    Lewk, you aren't from America so may not understand this, but the FBI can upon request reopen the background investigation and seek corroborating or exculpatory evidence for the committee's benefit.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  25. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Not being said under oath.

    The FBI should investigate from here.
    So literally nothing else will make you question the account?

    Lack of specifics such as date, time, location?
    Contradictory accounts from other individuals?
    The accuser having a specific political bent?
    The accuser lying about why she could not attend a hearing?

    Man RB I really hope you don't get accused of rape without a rock solid alibi. Because apparently your response would be "well we have to believe her!"

  26. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Lewk, you aren't from America so may not understand this, but the FBI can upon request reopen the background investigation and seek corroborating or exculpatory evidence for the committee's benefit.
    Like the multiple people who have, under penalty of perjury failed to back Ford's lies.

    Aimless if the FBI investigation was soooo important why didn't the Diane present it to the FBI back in July? Answer - they wanted to delay. The entire thing is a farce not a single democrat on the committee was going to vote for Brett anyway. In theory the FBI (which does not decide guilt or innocence) is there to help the committee members make the decision. If the decision will be same by the committee regardless of what they find... what is the purpose?

    Ah yes, Delay. Delay. Delay. Delay. That's the reason why Ford LIED about her "fear of flying" and couldn't attend on Monday. The purpose was to delay. Drum up more bull shit allegations. Push for an FBI investigation, push for a delay until mid-terms. If you think it was about anything else you are delusional.

  27. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    The entire purpose is to delay the appointment until AFTER the mid-terms. That is the ENTIRE purpose of asking the FBI to investigate. The FBI could have investigated 6 weeks ago but didn't.
    No, the purpose is to decide if Kavanaugh is fit to be on the highest court for life.

    Here's the other issue, at any time the police (which has no statute of limitations in that state for this crime) can investigate. After an investigation congress could always have him impeached.
    I bolded the craziest part. You can't be serious....

  28. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Like the multiple people who have, under penalty of perjury failed to back Ford's lies.
    No, this is not a substitute for an investigation. For example, an investigation would've helped narrow down the most likely month (eg. based on her memory of the subsequent encounter with Judge) when this occurred and additional focused interrogation might have helped uncover other corroborating or exculpatory information. Judge's attorney sending a six sentence long statement saying he doesn't recall anything is not a substitute for an interview with FBI agents. It is telling that someone who professes to care about due process does not want witnesses to be deposed.

    Aimless if the FBI investigation was soooo important why didn't the Diane present it to the FBI back in July?
    Probably because she believed Dr. Ford did not wish for her to do so and did not wish to come forward.

    If the decision will be same by the committee regardless of what they find... what is the purpose?
    Are you openly admitting that the republican senators would confirm Kavanaugh even if an investigation were to find information that corroborates the women's allegations and calls his truthfulness into doubt? Do you think that's a good thing?

    That's the reason why Ford LIED about her "fear of flying" and couldn't attend on Monday.
    I know you don't understand what lying is even though you do it in every single post (like that time when you tried to mislead us about Ramirez's willingness to give sworn testimony under penalty of perjury), but there is no compelling reason to believe she lied about being afraid of flying. If you disbelieve her, you can no doubt her information from her friends and family. I have several friends who are afraid of flying. They'll still fly, eg. to conferences, weddings, vacations destinations etc, but I have seen how much anxiety and fear they experience before and during the flight.


    The purpose was to delay. Drum up more bull shit allegations. Push for an FBI investigation, push for a delay until mid-terms. If you think it was about anything else you are delusional.
    If someone is credibly accused of committing murder, the allegation should be investigated regardless of the motives of the snitch.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  29. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Jesus fucking Christ, what the actual fuck was up with that press conference?!
    Not to mention his address to UNGA where world leaders laughed at him! Trump is an embarrassment

  30. #180
    Lewk: pfft, everyone lies under other no big d
    Also Lewk: FUCK THAT LYING BITCH FORD

    Lewk: But if, hypothetically, Clinton did commit a crime wouldn't you want to know about it?
    Also Lewk: literally any accusation against a Republican politicians is a politically motivated hit job and should not even be considered

    Absolutely pathetic.
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    We descended into hell
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