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    DHS Sec. Nielson was booed out of DC Mexican restaurant. WH press secretary Sanders was asked to leave a VA restaurant by its owner.

    The right wing loves to preach about the 1st Amendment, Free Speech and 'religious liberty', but they don't care much for free political speech or individual freedoms after all. These are the same people that subvert legal abortions (Roe v Wade) by enacting restrictive local laws. Then they bitch about denial of service at restaurants? Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    DHS Sec. Nielson was booed out of DC Mexican restaurant. WH press secretary Sanders was asked to leave a VA restaurant by its owner.

    The right wing loves to preach about the 1st Amendment, Free Speech and 'religious liberty', but they don't care much for free political speech or individual freedoms after all. These are the same people that subvert legal abortions (Roe v Wade) by enacting restrictive local laws. Then they bitch about denial of service at restaurants? Go figure.
    They can bitch, so can my fellow Nancy’s about cakes, it’s the suing and fining that some of us disagree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    DHS Sec. Nielson was booed out of DC Mexican restaurant. WH press secretary Sanders was asked to leave a VA restaurant by its owner.

    The right wing loves to preach about the 1st Amendment, Free Speech and 'religious liberty', but they don't care much for free political speech or individual freedoms after all. These are the same people that subvert legal abortions (Roe v Wade) by enacting restrictive local laws. Then they bitch about denial of service at restaurants? Go figure.
    To clarify I think a restaurant can absolutely refuse service to people they dislike. *Should* they? Of course not however the government shouldn't try to right all wrongs or be the moral police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    To clarify I think a restaurant can absolutely refuse service to people they dislike. *Should* they? Of course not however the government shouldn't try to right all wrongs or be the moral police.
    But laws *are* about the 'morality' of right vs wrong, weighed against constitutional and civil rights. Maybe using a term like the moral police is what you do when you want to look like a Libertarian, or something, but you're not fooling anyone.

    I thought it was rich that both Huckabee and Nielson were at Mexican restaurants during Trump's Family Separation/Zero Tolerance scandal. Talk about tone deaf. And no, they weren't asked to leave or booed because they weren't liked, but because they're associated with Trump's immigration policies they consider immoral. Rather like the Christian wedding cake baker that cited deep, religious objections to gay marriage?

    The common denominator is food. And who's to say that only wedding cakes are 'works of art', where 'creative expression' gives the maker license to refuse the client? It's a slippery slope. My personal opinion is that no one should be denied service (unless it's a no-shirt no-shoe health code or something), and that people can make political statements in better ways. They could have seated them by the restrooms, or provided slow service, or given them wrong orders or cold food or.....any number of things already done purposefully in the food industry, to signal to certain clients they're not welcomed there.

    But that's not how things are panning out, thanks to an ambiguous SCOTUS ruling....and religious zealots who see that as legitimating their bigotry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post

    I thought it was rich that both Huckabee and Nielson were at Mexican restaurants during Trump's Family Separation/Zero Tolerance scandal. Talk about tone deaf. And no, they weren't asked to leave or booed because they weren't liked, but because they're associated with Trump's immigration policies they consider immoral. Rather like the Christian wedding cake baker that cited deep, religious objections to gay marriage?
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    It shouldn't be illegal to be an ass. Very few people are suggesting it be illegal to refuse to service to Sanders.

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