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Thread: Antibiotic sensitivity is an important shared resource that should be protected

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    Khend, if you're going to hold up the Norwegian example, can you please outline in this thread what this system is and how it distinguishes "need" for anti-biotics?

    Minx- What you listed is mostly good common-sense stuff. But you and I both know a great contributor to anti-biotic resistance is repeated use in hospitals, which while theoretically more of a managed environment, is also a great environment for doctors to prescribe it frequently and incubate new resistant bacteria no matter how many controls are in place.

    More active and tough laws about cleaning hospitals (even to the point of regular shut-downs for top-to-bottom cleanings) seem more realistic than trying to monitor whether every patient in an intensive care unit is bacteria-free.

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    The system is easy: They have guidelines when to prescribe antibiotics and they follow those guidelines. That's the main method of preventing MRSA.

    Additionally, individual strains of MERSA are identified and tracked to their source, testing everyone who has been in contact with infected people.

    Strict quarantine for all with MRSA (that means carriers as well, see above).

    It's made easier to stay at home when you or your children are sick.

    Public advertising of prescription drugs is prohibited.
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    Grow up dude. The last point is totally irrelevant, which is why I have trouble believing you and looked into it myself.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/...ad-bug/1062228

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1323962.ece

    Separately: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18029021

    While it seems tough to draw strict lines, it does seem pretty feasible to institute these changes. Though I still wonder how it's possible to make these choices when people develop infections unrelated to their main ailment.

    I'm convinced these standards should be global, though no thanks to Khend's childish and irrelevant quip about prescription drug advertising.

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    The last point is irrelevant? Why exactly do you need public advertising for prescription drugs? Childish, my ass. You just don't like the statement that little fact is making.

    Ah but the great Dreadnaugh is once again of the "Freedom durr!" type.

    And before you get all huffy about my tone, I don't like to be called "childish". Adult argument work otherwise, so please grow up yourself because YOUR tone is highly inappropriate. I listed it because it was one of the methods enacted due to MRSA. Just because you don't like that tidbit - the Norwegians think otherwise.

    To sum it up: You wanted me to stop ad-hominems? Fine, then please stop them yourself. I seriously don't consider you a moderator anymore.
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    It's childish when asked to explain a policy, you insert an irrelevant point (which, as best I can tell, isn't actually part of the policy being discussed) and claim it's the policy.

    The drug advertising issue is separate and already being discussed elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    The last point is irrelevant? Why exactly do you need public advertising for prescription drugs? Childish, my ass. You just don't like the statement that little fact is making.
    Its irrelevant because antibiotics are not advertised to the general public. In fact, more often than not, the brand of antibiotic that a doctor will prescribe, if they do prescribe one, is controlled by what your insurer will pay for. The majority of drugs advertised publicly in the US are for weight loss, psychiatric disorders, sleep disorders, birth control, erectile dysfunction, and heart disease or factors that could cause heart disease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    It's childish when asked to explain a policy, you insert an irrelevant point (which, as best I can tell, isn't actually part of the policy being discussed) and claim it's the policy.

    The drug advertising issue is separate and already being discussed elsewhere.
    Still insisting on your ad-hominems? Okay, let's see what Wraith makes out of it. I hope they strip you of your moderator status.
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    10 years before antibotics become noticeably useless.

    Fun times are ahead for us!

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    And [that we have 10 years of time before all Hell breaks loose] is the optimistic view – based on the assumption that drug companies can and will get moving on discovering new antibiotics to throw at the bacterial enemy. Since the 1990s, when pharma found itself twisting and turning down blind alleys, it has not shown a great deal of enthusiasm for difficult antibiotic research. And besides, because, unlike with heart medicines, people take the drugs for a week rather than life, and because resistance means the drugs become useless after a while, there is just not much money in it.
    At least we have viagra, and endless drugs to give a month or three to a dying geezer!
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