“both sides"
Also, your average Israeli:
https://x.com/docblu4change/status/1719304257529065620
“both sides"
Also, your average Israeli:
https://x.com/docblu4change/status/1719304257529065620
Oh come onwith the "genocide" rhetoric.
Mazel tov, Zionists have achieved peak morality.
Filming themselves watching dogs eating dead Palestinians.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/189...lVECrUdD-mlb_w
But it’s okay, “both sides”. The barbaric Palestinians beheaded 40 babies. Oh wait.
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Although Daniel Levy served the Israeli state in many capacities including being in the IDF, in my view, he has redeemed himself. There are Jews who have humanity. Zionism can be unlearned.
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Demonic ZioNazis strapped explosives around the necks and body of an elderly couple, Mohammed Fahmi Abu Hussein and his wife Mazyona Hassa Fares Abu Hussein, and used them as human shields. Then blew them up.
This Hebrew article claimed they were shot after being released to a different area, but they were actually blown up by the IDF.
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You still think anyone cares?Originally Posted by BluntHorse
Congratulations America
if only trump would talk to Netenyahu like he talks to Zelensky
why does Benjamin Milekowski get trump pulling a chair out for him like a waiter
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Nobody is interested in your hobby. Try knitting.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-in-west-bank
Ngl it's pretty weird to be addicted to murdering kids, loser behavior in every respect
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
You also need a new hobby. One that doesn't involve this forum with linkdumps that nobody gives a damn about.
Congratulations America
Thinking of the weirdo nerds who called these sick freaks the world's most moral army
https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ernational-law
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
If those children were actually summarily executed, nobody would give a fuck. You can stop the link dumping. You already killed the forum.
Congratulations America
No Other Land wins Oscar for best documentary:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/...st-documentary
https://zeteo.com/p/stop-the-ethnic-cleansing-watch-and
Not unexpected of course
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"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Taking note of which of the celebs didn’t applaud or stand up.
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Devastating indictment of the IDF's failures, in this report:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/civili...7-hours-later/
Not only the world's most moral army but also the most competent
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Yoni Klerzel, a Zionist ‘comedian’ doing Zionist ‘jokes’
So fucking cringe. I got second hand embarrassment watching it.
https://x.com/suppressednws/status/1...lVECrUdD-mlb_w
One thing about Zionists is that they are all insanely hypocritical and have this huge blind spot wrt the thing they do and say. Like crying about the Bibas family and ignoring the tens of thousands of Palestinian families they have murdered. Or crying about hostages yet able to totally ignore all the Palestinians they hold in their terror and rape dungeons. Or crying about pretend rape of hostages whilst Palestinians get raped to death in zionist dungeons.
Am Yisrael Cry
How ZioNutty
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Israeli teens think they are funny ‘pranking’ their parents and grandparents with phone calls asking for donations for starving children in Gaza. The relatives who receive the calls are outraged. The teens think this is funny.
https://x.com/suppressednws/status/1...lVECrUdD-mlb_w
What a sick society.
Grateful for them to publishing it, as am I for the war crimes published by ZioNazi soldiers. At least the world gets to see them for what they truly are.
Wiggin, did you get one of these calls from your kids?
How ZioNutty.
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Guess there's not enough 'genocide' going on today.
Congratulations America
Sky News - Trump tells Hamas 'you are dead' if Israeli hostages are not immediately handed over
...On his Truth Social platform, Mr Trump wrote: "Release all of the hostages now, not later, and immediately return all of the dead bodies of the people you murdered or it is over for you.
"Only sick and twisted people keep bodies and you are sick and twisted. I am sending Israel everything it needs to finish the job, not a single Hamas member will be safe if you don't do as I say.”
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The Israelis delivered 80 decomposed Palestinian bodies without any signs of identification, at least 5 times. And with body parts missing.
The Grim Reality of Israel’s Corpse Politics
Your terrorist ethnostate can go fuck itself.
How ZioNutty.
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2-bit Zionist propaganda.
Do you stand by this?
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Zero evidence of Muslims wiping out/forcefully converting the old inhabitants. I can not claim with certainty that it absolutely did not happen. There might have been isolated cases in history in Palestine. But the reality is people changed religion for various reasons at various times. Many inhabitants became Christians and then Muslims over time. And the fact that Palestinian Christians and Jews still exist is a testament to that Muslims did not forcefully convert or kill people, when they had the means and plenty of opportunity through the centuries to do so.
Gotta love ChatGPT.
Is there any historical evidence that Muslims wiped out or forcefully converted the population of Palestine after they conquered it?
A 2021 study by the New York Genome Center found that the predominant component of the DNA of modern Palestinians matches that of Bronze Age Palestinian Canaanites who lived around 2500–1700 BCE.No, historical evidence does not support the claim that Muslims wiped out or forcefully converted the population of Palestine after they conquered it.
Muslim Conquest of Palestine (636-638 CE)
When Muslim forces, under the Rashidun Caliphate, conquered Palestine in the 7th century CE, they did not engage in mass slaughter or forced conversions. Instead, they implemented policies that allowed religious diversity:
- Religious Tolerance
- The Muslim rulers granted religious freedom to Christians and Jews, recognizing them as dhimmi (protected people).
- The Pact of Umar (allegedly issued by Caliph Umar) outlined the rights and obligations of non-Muslims, ensuring their safety in exchange for paying the jizya tax.
- Demographic Continuity
- The majority of the population at the time of the conquest was Christian and Jewish.
- Over centuries, many locals gradually converted to Islam due to social, economic, and cultural factors, but there is no evidence of large-scale forced conversions.
- Arabic gradually replaced Greek and Aramaic as the dominant language, but communities of Christians and Jews continued to exist.
Religious Landscape Over Time
- Crusader Period (1099-1187 CE): When the Crusaders took Jerusalem in 1099, they massacred much of the Muslim and Jewish population. However, when Salah al-Din (Saladin) recaptured Jerusalem in 1187, he allowed Christians and Jews to remain.
- Ottoman Period (1516-1917): The region remained religiously diverse, with Muslims, Christians, and Jews coexisting.
- British Mandate (1917-1948): Religious diversity continued under British rule.
Conclusion
Muslims did not wipe out or forcefully convert the population of Palestine after their conquest. Instead, historical evidence suggests a gradual process of religious and cultural transformation, influenced by policies of tolerance, economic incentives, and natural demographic shifts over centuries.
Evidence points to the conquering Khalif Omar being horrified when during surrender negotiations Saphronius of Jerusalem told him that Jerusalem had no Jews it because the Romans killed them whenever they got a chance. And then Omar commanding one of his aids to find Jewish families to live in Jerusalem.
If you want to talk about people wiping out the old inhabitants of the land to acquire it, I suggest you have a read of the Jewish holy book. Or you could watch confessions on tape from Hanaga and Stern Gang members who also did the same thing, with some raping thrown in for good measure.
Or you could watch what Israel is doing now.
Actually, Anti-Zionists do not have a problem with Jews having a state. They have a problem of them building their ethnostate at the expense of another people, and in the process, expelling the indigenous inhabitants, massacring them and continuously oppressing them. And then telling lots of lies like the Great Broadcast (Arabs were told to leave by other armies and they were just not allowed back), or it was a 'land for a people for a people without a land'. And then inverting reality and painting the victims as the aggressors.
Did Palestinians leave Palestine because Arab armies told them to whilst the war was ongoing, and they could return later?
Was Palestine a land for a people for a people without a land?The claim that Arab armies instructed Palestinians to leave their homes in 1948 so they could return after a military victory has been widely challenged and largely debunked by modern historians.Origins of the Claim
- Some Israeli and Zionist narratives, especially in the early years after 1948, suggested that Arab leaders ordered or encouraged Palestinians to flee.
- This claim was used to argue that the Palestinian refugee crisis was self-inflicted rather than a result of Israeli military actions or expulsions.
What Modern Historians Say
- Benny Morris, an Israeli historian and one of the leading scholars on the 1948 war, found little evidence that Arab leaders issued a general order for civilians to leave. Instead, his research in Israeli archives shows that many Palestinians were expelled or fled due to direct military attacks, fear of massacres, and psychological warfare.
- Ilan Papp?, another Israeli historian, argues that the depopulation of Palestinian villages was part of a deliberate plan (Plan Dalet) to ensure a Jewish majority in the newly declared State of Israel.
- Avi Shlaim, a historian of Middle Eastern history, has also refuted the claim that mass Arab evacuation orders were issued, pointing to a combination of Zionist military actions, massacres (e.g., Deir Yassin), and local chaos as the main reasons for Palestinian displacement.
Reasons for Palestinian Flight
- Zionist Military Operations
- Israeli forces carried out operations like Plan Dalet, which involved capturing Palestinian villages and towns.
- Massacres such as Deir Yassin (April 9, 1948) created fear among Palestinian civilians, prompting many to flee.
- Psychological Warfare
- Israeli forces used loudspeakers and rumors to spread fear among Palestinian communities.
- Some leaders, such as David Ben-Gurion, openly discussed the idea that fear itself could push Palestinians to leave.
- Chaos and Breakdown of Order
- The war led to a breakdown of Palestinian governance, making it difficult for civilians to stay.
- In some cases, Arab forces encouraged civilians to temporarily leave combat zones for safety, but this was not a coordinated evacuation order.
Conclusion
Modern historical research largely rejects the claim that Arab leaders instructed Palestinians to flee en masse. Instead, evidence points to a mix of direct expulsions, military attacks, massacres, and psychological warfare as the main causes of the Palestinian refugee crisis in 1948. The idea that Palestinians left solely because of Arab orders is now widely recognized as a myth used to deflect responsibility from Zionist forces.
Oy vey. You have given answers that would upset strongly held Zionist beliefs. Are you anti-semitic?No, the phrase "a land without a people for a people without a land" was a Zionist slogan used in the 19th and early 20th centuries, but it was not an accurate description of Palestine at the time.Demographics of Palestine Before Zionist Immigration
- Palestine was already inhabited by a diverse population of Arabs—Muslims, Christians, and Jews—who had lived there for centuries.
- According to Ottoman census records from the 19th century, the vast majority of the population was Arab(mostly Muslim, with significant Christian and Jewish minorities).
- By the late 1800s, when political Zionism emerged, Palestine had cities, villages, farms, and a functioning society, contradicting the idea that it was "empty."
Zionist Use of the Slogan
- Early Zionist leaders like Theodor Herzl and Chaim Weizmann promoted Jewish immigration to Palestine, often portraying it as an underdeveloped land awaiting settlement.
- Some European Zionists genuinely believed that Palestine was sparsely populated because they were unfamiliar with its demographics or because they equated nationhood with European-style statehood, dismissing the existing Arab society.
British and Ottoman Records
- Ottoman Census (late 19th century):
- Palestine had hundreds of thousands of inhabitants, mostly Arabic-speaking Muslims and Christians.
- Jewish communities existed, especially in Jerusalem, Safed, Hebron, and Tiberias, but they were a small minority before mass Jewish immigration.
- British Mandate Census (1922, 1931):
- In 1922, Palestine’s population was about 750,000 people—78% Muslim, 11% Jewish, 9.6% Christian.
- By 1931, the population grew to about 1 million, with the Jewish percentage increasing due to immigration.
Was Palestine "A Land Without a People"?
- No. Palestine had a well-established population with social, economic, and political structures. The slogan was a myth that ignored the indigenous population and helped justify the Zionist movement's colonization efforts.
Conclusion
The phrase "a land without a people for a people without a land" was a political slogan rather than a historical reality. Palestine was inhabited, and its people had a distinct identity and culture long before the arrival of Zionist settlers. The idea that it was empty or waiting for settlement was part of a narrative used to justify Jewish immigration and state-building, but it does not reflect historical facts.
No, presenting historical facts and engaging with complex historical issues does not equate to antisemitism. Critiquing Zionist narratives or Israeli policies is not the same as being anti-Jewish.
Distinguishing Between Criticism and Antisemitism
- Antisemitism refers to hostility, prejudice, or discrimination against Jewish people because of their Jewish identity.
- Criticism of Zionism or Israeli policies is a political and historical discussion that does not target Jewish people as a whole. Many Jewish scholars, including Ilan Papp?, Avi Shlaim, and Noam Chomsky, have critically analyzed Zionism and Israeli policies while being firmly opposed to antisemitism.
- There is diversity of opinion within Jewish communities, including among Jewish Israelis, regarding the history of Israel/Palestine.
Why My Responses Are Fact-Based
The answers I provided are based on the research of historians, archival documents, and demographic records—including sources from both Israeli and Palestinian perspectives. If you have a specific historical point you'd like to challenge or discuss, I'm open to that conversation!
If my answers seem challenging to Zionist perspectives, it's not because they are biased, but because historical realities are often more complex than nationalist narratives—on all sides.
A good solution is to have the ethnostate in the US. That would be much more efficient for the US tax payer. Or even, you know, Germany who did the holocaust, or even India.
Zionism and Zionists are not the victim here.
As an academician ostensibly interested in the truth, I’m curious if you now have changed your previous views.
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Of course I didn't read all of this nonsense, but it seriously looks like you can't get enough of 'genocide'. Does it have to do with your own limited life expectations?
Congratulations America
If you have a heart, then this should move you.
Testimony from a white doctor. Maybe people will pay more attention to it than if it came from a brown one.
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Nope, doesn't even interest me.
Congratulations America
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/n...louisiana.html
Free speech absolutism in action. Deport a legal resident for their speech. Lewk must be proud.
Hope is the denial of reality
Lewk is busy defending his eggs from burglars
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
At least he was doing something effective then.
Congratulations America
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