Zionuts

[Steely Glint]

* Kharkiv and Kherson were never carpet bombed. Kherson in particular was taken with barely a shot fired at the start of the war, so much so that the Ukrainians suspect treachery.
* Russia is indiscriminately bombing Ukrainian cities, but these attacks are sporadic, ineffectual and mostly intercepted and of a much lower intensity than the Israel air campaign in Gaza
* They didn't massacre the entire town of Bucha, they killed ~500 people.
* Since Feb 2nd 2022 Russia occupied an additional 119k km2 of Ukrainian territory on top of what they occupied since 2014. Since then, Ukraine has liberated about 74k km2, meaning Ukraine has in fact retaken a majority of territory Russia occupied since the start of the war.

[Loki]

* Kharkiv and Kherson were never carpet bombed. Kherson in particular was taken with barely a shot fired at the start of the war, so much so that the Ukrainians suspect treachery.

Up to 1,000 dead in Izium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izium_mass_graves
10k+ graves (generally, with more than one person per grave) in Mariupol: https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...811655f14931f2
A single site in Lyman with 200 graves: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/08/w...iscovered.html
Mass graves and torture sites in Kherson: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/torture...ssias-retreat/
A thousand dead in Kharkiv region (mostly in Izium) and over a thousand in Kyv: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/larg...kraine/2847788
Indiscriminate artillery fire at Kherson: https://www.rferl.org/a/residents-uk.../32661951.html
80-200 dead in Borodianka: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Borodianka

* Russia is indiscriminately bombing Ukrainian cities, but these attacks are sporadic, ineffectual and mostly intercepted and of a much lower intensity than the Israel air campaign in Gaza

So Russia gets brownie points for trying but failing to kill additional Ukrainians?

* They didn't massacre the entire town of Bucha, they killed ~500 people.

Nice of them to only butcher 500 in the span of a month.

* Since Feb 2nd 2022 Russia occupied an additional 119k km2 of Ukrainian territory on top of what they occupied since 2014. Since then, Ukraine has liberated about 74k km2, meaning Ukraine has in fact retaken a majority of territory Russia occupied since the start of the war.

That's misleading. Russia controlled much of that territory for only a month. And in that month, Russia managed to carry out multiple massacres. Who knows how many have been imprisoned or killed in territory Russia still controls? Torture is rampant: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/10/w...e-torture.html

Over a million Ukrainian civilians, including a quarter million children, forcibly relocated to Russia as of a year ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...for_Ukrainians

Putin (and other top Russian officials) are on record saying the Ukrainian nation doesn't exist, thereby advocating genocide: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/o...-identity.html
Ukrainian-language books have been banned and Russian teachers have been imported to erase the Ukrainian identity in Russian-occupied territories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono...n#21st_century

The only reason Russia hasn't wiped out the Ukrainian nation (at least in the eastern half of the country) is because of its second-rate military. Once again, should we be thankful to Russia for trying but failing to commit genocide?

[Dreadnaught]

I'm arguing for exactly what I said; Israeli's assault on Gaza is one of the worst crimes against humanity of the 21st century.

If Ukraine had lost the battle of Hostomel and Kyiv had become a war zone, and Russia had unleashed this level of destruction on the city no one would have a problem with that statement, but because it's an ally, and therefore it's implicit assumed that they're 'one of the good guys' and 'they wouldn't do that', we're supposed to apply this absurd level of skepticism to the horrific events taking place right in front of our eyes, take seriously ridiculous claims about James Bond bases under hospitals and UNRWA workers, use phrases like 'food-aid related deaths' and ignore the genocidal statements being made in Israel. Or that the whole Zionist project isn't just intrinsically colonial. Or that Biden couldn't just end the entire thing tomorrow with a phone call.

It's space year 2024, time we all grew up and started living in reality.

There are 6 million people displaced in the Congo over the past few years, and you're calling the last few months of Gaza conflict the worst crimes against humanity of the 21st century.

Many Zionists have disagreements with the strategy and tactics of Israel's Gaza campaign. But people like you drown them out with hyperbole. Not to mention your clear marks of being radicalized with language like "the whole Zionist project" being "intrinsically colonial". Jews are one of the many people indigenous to the region. History is complicated and didn't begin when you learned to scroll a social media feed filled with activists. Check your privilege, bro.

[Steely Glint]

There are 6 million people displaced in the Congo over the past few years, and you're calling the last few months of Gaza conflict the worst crimes against humanity of the 21st century.

No, I called it "one of" the worst crimes against humanity this century.

Many Zionists have disagreements with the strategy and tactics of Israel's Gaza campaign. But people like you drown them out with hyperbole.

There's this thing called reality.

Not to mention your clear marks of being radicalized with language like "the whole Zionist project" being "intrinsically colonial".

It is what it is. Stop worrying about whether something is 'hyperbolic' or 'radicalised' and start worrying about whether or not it's true.

Jews are one of the many people indigenous to the region. History is complicated and didn't begin when you learned to scroll a social media feed filled with activists. Check your privilege, bro.

Before the British Mandate, the Jewish population of Palestine was about 6%. By the 1920s, it was about 30%. The Jewish population of Israel is by and large not an indigenous one. Before 'colonialism' became a dirty word, early Zionists were quite happy to call their undertaking colonialism, because that's what it was: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...iron-wall-quot

To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system.

Doesn't mean we have to demolish the state of Israel or deport everyone with a European surname or anything silly like that, if we tried to undo every act of colonialism from the 19th and 20th centuries we'd have to displace like half the world's population but I'm sick of pretending that Israel just sort of naturally coalesced out of the tiny population of native Jews, who the Arabs just hate for no reason, and wasn't actually a deliberate and conscious attempt to create a new state by displacing the existing native population and replace it with a immigrant one in exactly the same way as happened in Australia, New Zealand, the Americas, etc - and that this isn't exactly what they're still trying to do to Palestinians to this day.

Like, "A land without a people for a people without a land" does that sound at all familiar to anyone?

[EyeKhan]

... create a new state by displacing the existing native population and replace it with a immigrant one in exactly the same way as happened in Australia, New Zealand, the Americas, ....

Hey, fuck you. America was always meant to be White. God made it that way, set it aside for us, just like he sent White Jesus down to die in ancient Israel.

You know... the difference between colonizing the Americas and anywhere in the "Old World" is how new the native Americans were to all those diseases you dirty fucking Europeans cultivated with all your filthy inbred fucking socialist mongrelism. If you all were less filthy, then the 90% or so of native Americans wouldn't have died after that Italian prick showed up with his boat loads of living human shit. So fuck you and take a damn bath.