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    As far as I can tell, we don't have one of these threads yet. I just couldn't resist posting this piece from the Guardian:

    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian
    Lebanon and Israel need a proper border agreement

    Focusing on a pact to calm border tensions is far better than arguing over who fired the first shot in this week's confrontation

    Good fences make good neighbours, according to an old proverb – the idea being that friction is less likely if those on both sides of the line know exactly where they stand. On that basis, the border fence between Israel and Lebanon is a bad one. On Tuesday it led to a military confrontation in which five people died: three Lebanese soldiers, an Israeli officer and a civilian Lebanese journalist.

    The problem with the fence is that when the Israelis erected it following their withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 2000, they did not follow the border line exactly. In places, they adjusted the route for convenience and military reasons.

    As a result, various pockets of what is still legally Israeli territory lie on the Lebanese side of the fence. The Israelis call them "enclaves" and don't always see eye to eye with Lebanese government about their extent and location.

    Now you might think that the sensible thing for the Israelis to do about these relatively unimportant patches of land would be to forget about them – which, initially, is more or less what they did.

    However, according to Amos Harel, writing in Haaretz, since the 2006 war "the IDF has changed its policy toward the enclaves, and it insists on maintaining a presence there, in order to exercise Israeli sovereignty there".

    That is obviously a recipe for trouble, though the military logic behind it seems to be that the Israelis want to stop trees and bushes from growing in the enclaves where they might obstruct the view over Lebanese territory or provide cover for Hezbollah fighters.

    So, from time to time the Israelis cross their not-exactly-a-border-fence to do a spot of gardening (a video on the BBC website shows them using a vehicle with an extending arm for this purpose). It was one such gardening expedition that led to yesterday's fighting.

    Of course, all this might have been taken care of had there been a proper border agreement between Israel and Lebanon. It could easily have included a clause stipulating that an area of 500 metres or whatever, on either side of the fence, would be kept clear of trees and bushes – under UN supervision if necessary.

    The underlying problem here is that in 2000 Israel withdrew from Lebanon unilaterally, without an agreement. That followed the breakdown of peace talks with Syria (which at the time held sway over Lebanon) and it had all sorts of adverse political consequences – among them, allowing Hezbollah to claim victory and, probably, contributing to the start of the second Palestinian intifada.

    Regardless of whether Israel should have been occupying southern Lebanon in the first place, pulling out without an agreement was stupid. But Israel does have a propensity for this sort of unilateral action (witness the "disengagement" from Gaza).

    It's the same kind of behaviour that's favoured by old-fashioned company bosses when they are trying to show who is in charge – and it's covered in lesson one of courses in industrial relations and business negotiating as something you should never do unless you want to make matters worse.

    It's still not too late to rectify the mistake of 10 years ago and calm the border tensions with an agreement, though whether the latest incident will prompt serious efforts to do that is another matter. What's really needed is a three-way pact involving Lebanon, Israel and Syria (since Syria is still an important player in Lebanon, not to mention the thorny Shebaa farms issue). To focus on that would be far better than arguing over who fired the first shot on Tuesday.

    At the same time, we're left wondering whether Israel's over-the-fence expedition – at such a sensitive time for Lebanon over the Hariri tribunal – was provocative or just dumb. Israel may well have been acting within its rights, but was it really a wise thing to do for the sake of a few bushes? Wars have started over less.
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    Always refreshing to see that there's a way to blame Israel.

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    Who needs facts when you're the Guardian and Israel does something remotely controversial?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    ...After the raid, in which nine Turkish citizens were killed on May 31, Turkey demanded an apology that it has yet to receive. It barred Israeli military planes from Turkish airspace, while its Islamist-inspired prime minister said the world now perceived the Nazi swastika and the Star of David together, according to the Hurriyet Daily News, a Turkish newspaper critical of the government...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/wo...urkey.html?hpw

    Seriously, WTF is wrong with this guy. I think he's trying to top Ahmadinejad. Hell, even Bin Laden has more tact than this.
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    He grew up in the slums of Istanbul, what do you expect?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    He grew up in the slums of Istanbul, what do you expect?
    He's also a career politician. How about learning to control one's mouth? If Israel didn't care about relations with Turkey, it should have said that it might very well be true that a part of the world doesn't think higher of the Star of David than the Swastika, but that part of the world would also be all too happy to don the Swastika themselves. Then again, these people don't think the Holocaust happened or at least was grossly exaggerated.
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    Come on guys,

    WASHINGTON (AFP) – Israel has "eight days" to launch a military strike against Iran's Bushehr nuclear facility and stop Tehran from acquiring a functioning atomic plant, a former US envoy to the UN has said.

    Iran is to bring online its first nuclear power reactor, built with Russia's help, on August 21, when a shipment of nuclear fuel will be loaded into the plant's core.

    At that point, John Bolton warned Monday, it will be too late for Israel to launch a military strike against the facility because any attack would spread radiation and affect Iranian civilians.

    "Once that uranium, once those fuel rods are very close to the reactor, certainly once they're in the reactor, attacking it means a release of radiation, no question about it," Bolton told Fox Business Network.

    "So if Israel is going to do anything against Bushehr it has to move in the next eight days."

    Absent an Israeli strike, Bolton said, "Iran will achieve something that no other opponent of Israel, no other enemy of the United States in the Middle East really has and that is a functioning nuclear reactor."

    But when asked whether he expected Israel to actually launch strikes against Iran within the next eight days, Bolton was skeptical.

    "I don't think so, I'm afraid that they've lost this opportunity," he said.

    The controversial former envoy to the United Nations criticized Russia's role in the development of the plant, saying "the Russians are, as they often do, playing both sides against the middle."

    "The idea of being able to stick a thumb in America's eye always figures prominently in Moscow," he added.

    Iran dismissed the possibilities of such an attack from its archfoes.

    Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said Tuesday that "these threats of attacks had become repetitive and lost their meaning."

    "According to international law, installations which have real fuel cannot be attacked because of the humanitarian consequences," he told reporters at a news conference in Tehran.

    Iranian officials say Iran has stepped up defensive measures at the Bushehr plant to protect it from any attacks.

    Russia has been building the Bushehr plant since the mid-1990s but the project was marred by delays, and the issue is hugely sensitive amid Tehran's standoff with the West and Israel over its nuclear ambitions.

    The UN Security Council hit Tehran with a fourth set of sanctions on June 9 over its nuclear programme, and the United States and European Union followed up with tougher punitive measures targeting Iran's banking and energy sectors.

    The Bushehr project was first launched by the late shah in the 1970s using contractors from German firm Siemens. But it was shelved when he was deposed in the 1979 Islamic revolution.

    It was revived after the death of revolutionary founder Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1989, as Iran's new supreme leader Ali Khamenei and his first president, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, backed the project.

    In 1995, Iran won the support of Russia which agreed to finish building the plant and fuel it.
    We need another war. Come on. 8 days.

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    Yeah, Bolton's crazy.

    Then again, he is right that Israel's window for an attack is pretty much gone. But it just means that Israel isn't very likely to attack given the likely repercussions and technical issues.

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    If they are unwilling to stand as the citadel before the barbarian hordes, why precisely does your gubment fund them? Because girls with curly hair look good wielding automatic weapons?

    The only realistic justification for Israel's existence is the fortress amongst the forces combating civilization. If they can't carry their weight, what good are they?
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    Uhm, the US government most specifically does not want Israel to attack Iran, much as elements of the US might be interested in it.

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    No ones ever explained why we need a fortress there in the first place. You put a fortress in a place where there is something that needs defending, at least last time I checked. Like, if Israel is where Turkey was then, yeah, let's fund those guys - they'd be like a barbican for the Lands of civilization. But what the fuck good does Israel do down there, with it's back to the sea and surrounded by enemies? It's shit. We can't use it as a base to bomb arabs because it that would just infuriate the other arabs even further. It doesn't spread civilization to arab lands, because they just piss off the arabs so much they're probably a negative net contributor to the general civilization level in the area. Like, we say to the arabs "Hey, why do you have to be such massive douche bags all the time? Why do you stone women to death for having breasts? Why are all your regimes autocratic? What's with the death threats against writers and artists? Why do you think we'll find it a big deal when you burn our flag, and why is that your response to basically fucking everything?" they're just like HURGH BURGH HURGH ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL WE'RE OPPRESSED OK instead of shuffling their feet and looking embarrassed like they should.
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    If we wanted Israel to be a land-based aircraft carrier to indiscriminately bomb countries, why would people complain when they raid a ship?

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    I think the technical term for "land based aircraft carrier" is actually "airfield".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    I think the technical term for "land based aircraft carrier" is actually "airfield".
    For some reason, I found this incredibly amusing. Kudos.

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    'Twas actually a deliberate reference. In principle an aircraft carrier can be sunk, which is what folks are saying can be done to Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    No ones ever explained why we need a fortress there in the first place. You put a fortress in a place where there is something that needs defending, at least last time I checked. Like, if Israel is where Turkey was then, yeah, let's fund those guys - they'd be like a barbican for the Lands of civilization. But what the fuck good does Israel do down there, with it's back to the sea and surrounded by enemies? It's shit. We can't use it as a base to bomb arabs because it that would just infuriate the other arabs even further. It doesn't spread civilization to arab lands, because they just piss off the arabs so much they're probably a negative net contributor to the general civilization level in the area. Like, we say to the arabs "Hey, why do you have to be such massive douche bags all the time? Why do you stone women to death for having breasts? Why are all your regimes autocratic? What's with the death threats against writers and artists? Why do you think we'll find it a big deal when you burn our flag, and why is that your response to basically fucking everything?" they're just like HURGH BURGH HURGH ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL WE'RE OPPRESSED OK instead of shuffling their feet and looking embarrassed like they should.
    We can hope that Sarah 2012 hires even more evangelical ding-bats than Dubya, who'll try and boot-strap the Rapture, Israel has a key role in that. And the Jews have been oppressed for thousands of years, let them have their turn at running a racist nation for awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    No ones ever explained why we need a fortress there in the first place. You put a fortress in a place where there is something that needs defending, at least last time I checked. Like, if Israel is where Turkey was then, yeah, let's fund those guys - they'd be like a barbican for the Lands of civilization. But what the fuck good does Israel do down there, with it's back to the sea and surrounded by enemies? It's shit. We can't use it as a base to bomb arabs because it that would just infuriate the other arabs even further. It doesn't spread civilization to arab lands, because they just piss off the arabs so much they're probably a negative net contributor to the general civilization level in the area. Like, we say to the arabs "Hey, why do you have to be such massive douche bags all the time? Why do you stone women to death for having breasts? Why are all your regimes autocratic? What's with the death threats against writers and artists? Why do you think we'll find it a big deal when you burn our flag, and why is that your response to basically fucking everything?" they're just like HURGH BURGH HURGH ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL WE'RE OPPRESSED OK instead of shuffling their feet and looking embarrassed like they should.
    The original funding (at current levels) came as a result of Israel deterring Syria from invading pro-American Jordan, as well as the decreasing French support (why support Israel if the French are already doing it?). The Cold War is over, so some of the original rationale for being generous to Israel changed, but some new ones have risen. Namely A) we want Israel to play nice with their neighbors, and giving them military assistance makes them less likely to feel cornered and lash out, and B) Israel plays a role in keeping the kind of people we really don't want in power from coming to power in their immediate vicinity. Might not be the best reasons for giving Israel a few billion a year, but it's not like we have a much better rationale for throwing billions at Colombia and Egypt.
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    That's not Zionutty at all
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Hired assassins.
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    Ah, Zionuts, how I love thee:

    Quote Originally Posted by JPost
    Google Earth reveals Star of David on roof of Iran Air HQ
    By BEN HARTMAN

    Did Israeli prankster architects sneak a Star of David onto the roof of the Teheran airport, or is the controversy in Iran over a Google Earth revelation much ado about nothing?

    Regardless of whether it was happenstance or an act of architectural subterfuge, government officials in Iran were incensed this week when they discovered the outline of a Star of David atop the roof of the headquarters of Iran Air, Al- Arabiya reported on Monday.

    The six-pointed star was discovered by an eagle-eyed Google Earth user recently, over three decades after the building that houses the national airline of the Islamic Republic was constructed by Israeli engineers.

    Israel and the Shah’s Iran maintained good ties until the Islamic Revolution of 1979 ended the relationship. Before 1979, Israel brokered arms deals with Iran, and there were regular flights between Teheran and Tel Aviv.

    Once the existence of the Star of David was reported in Iranian media, government officials called for the immediate removal of the apparently offensive Jewish symbol.

    The discovery of the symbol came three months after the Iranian public learned of the existence of a Star of David on the roof of a building in Teheran’s Revolution Square.
    http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/N...aspx?id=197395

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    I'd say Zionuts all around on this one - for the Israeli engineers and the silly Iranian response. Of course, it's a little less like vandalism when it's built onto a roof than when you bulldoze one into the runway of Gaza's airport.

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    Damnable Zionist cultural imperialism.

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    Spoiler:
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    I don't like to post in here too often, but I couldn't resist this one:

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...lease-1.328373

    Quote Originally Posted by Haaretz
    Turkish official says Israel behind WikiLeaks release
    Deputy leader of Turkish PM Erdogan's AKP party hints that Israel engineered the release of U.S. diplomatic cables as a plot to pressure Turkey, the daily Hurriyet reports.
    By Haaretz Service

    A senior Turkish official blamed Israel for the WikiLeaks release, Turkish daily Hurriyet reported on Wednesday.

    Addressing reporters, Huseyin Celik, deputy leader of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's AKP party, hinted that Israel engineered the leak of hundreds of thousands of United States diplomatic cables as a plot to pressure the Turkish government.

    “One has to look at which countries are pleased with these," Celik was quoted as saying. "Israel is very pleased. Israel has been making statements for days, even before the release of these documents.”

    “Documents were released and they immediately said, ‘Israel will not suffer from this.’ How did they know that?” Celik asked.

    Turkish officials suspect that "the main cause of these leaks was to weaken the Turkish government”, Hurriyet reported.

    On Tuesday, Turkish President Abdullah Gul said that the leak appeared to be "a result of a systematic work with some purpose behind it" but Gul did not mention Israel.

    According to Hurriyet report, around 8,000 documents from the U.S. Embassy in Ankara have been released by WikiLeaks.

    Israeli-Turkish relations have cooled in recent years and reached a low point last May when nine Turkish citizens were killed as Israeli naval commandos boarded a Gaza-bound aid flotilla.
    So... because Erdogan and his party are portrayed in a poor light by the leaked documents (including a rather unfortunate bit alleging he has large quantities of money in Swiss bank accounts)... it must be the Joos who leaked it!

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    Ah, good old Middle Eastern logic: whoever benefits the most from an event must have been responsible for the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Ah, good old Middle Eastern logic: whoever benefits the most from an event must have been responsible for the event.
    Kinda like America's financial industry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggin View Post
    I don't like to post in here too often,
    This is a bad policy and you should change it starting yesterday
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Fine It's always like this with Jews, isn't it

    Defiant Helen Thomas defends remarks that led to exit

    Striking a defiant tone, journalist Helen Thomas, 90, said today she absolutely stands by her controversial comments about Israel made earlier this year that led to her resignation. But she stoked additional controversy with new remarks, claiming that "Zionists" control U.S. foreign policy and other American institutions. The local Jewish community strongly condemned her remarks.

    "I can call a president of the United States anything in the book but I can't touch Israel, which has Jewish-only roads in the West Bank," Thomas said. "No American would tolerate that -- white-only roads."

    Thomas, who grew up in Detroit the daughter of Lebanese immigrants, was in Dearborn today for an Arab Detroit workshop on anti-Arab bias. The Free Press asked her about her comments, which critics have said were anti-Israel.

    "I paid the price for that," said Thomas, a longtime White House correspondent. "But it was worth it, to speak the truth."
    "The Zionists have to understand that's their country, too. Palestinians were there long before any European Zionists."

    Thomas claimed that "You can not say anything (critical) about Israel in this country."
    In a speech that drew a standing ovation, Thomas talked about "the whole question of money involved in politics."

    "We are owned by propagandists against the Arabs. There's no question about that. Congress, the White House, and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists. No question in my opinion. They put their money where there mouth is…We're being pushed into a wrong direction in every way."
    Jewish groups have criticized Thomas' earlier remarks, saying they were unfair and bigoted. And they slammed today's remarks as well.

    "When she said…today that Congress, the White House, Hollywood and Wall Street are owned by Zionists, Ms. Thomas repeated the anti-Semitic stereotypes that have been used for more than a century to incite hatred of Jews. Her comments should be condemned by all people who oppose bigotry in any form," said Robert Cohen, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Metropolitan Detroit.

    Asked by the Free Press how she would respond to those who say she's anti-Semitic, Thomas said:
    "I'd say I'm a Semite, What are you talking about? Who are you?"

    In her speech to about 300 inside a center in Dearborn, Thomas lashed out at the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, saying they were built on lies. And she decried bias against Arabs.

    "We all know the Arabs are much maligned. They are automatically terrorists. I was called the Hizballah at the White House, Hamas, and everything else. But I never bowed to those kinds of slurs because I know who I am. I'm an American."

    Criticizing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Thomas said "we've lost our way."
    In the interview, she said the Iraq war was "a war built on lies."

    "Seven years of war now with Iraq. They did nothing to us. They are totally innocent, and they were just demonized. I'm not saying Saddam Hussein wasn't a terrible man. But how many thousands of Iraqis did you kill, for what reason?…They've never explained the war. No weapons of mass destruction. No ties to Al-Qaeda. What is this? Why are we killing those people. And why are we there?"
    "We teach our children to be good citizens, never kill, never lie, never do bad things, and yet in 3-4 weeks, we train them to go and kill people half way around the world, and still have yet to give them a good reason to kill and die."

    Thomas resigned from Hearst Newspapers in June after telling a rabbi on camera that Israelis should "get the hell out of Palestine" and "go home" to "Poland, Germany and America, and everywhere else."
    She later apologized for her comments.

    During her interview and speech, Thomas often used the term "Zionists" negatively, saying that Dennis Ross, President Obama's adviser to the Middle East, was a Zionist.
    "Obama, he puts in charge for the Arab world a Zionist like Dennis Ross…You don't put a Zionist in charge of the Muslim world in the White House."

    In the interview, Thomas talked about the problems that Palestinians face, saying that "Arabs are not terrorists."
    Rather, Thomas said, it was former Israeli leader "Menacham Begin who created terrorism…they bragged, in his first book, about creating the modus operandi for terrorists."
    In the interview before her speech, Thomas said she has fond memories of growing up in Detroit.
    "I have a great, great feeling about Detroit, a warm feeling…Detroit is where my heart is. I love Detroit because we never could have won WWII without Detroit."

    Thomas said she's proud of her Arab roots, but stressed that she's fully American.
    "I never felt hyphenated. I never felt I was an Arab-American. I felt I was an American," she said.
    At the end of her speech, Thomas spoke about bias against Arabs and then recalled the words of a rabbi at Martin Luther King's 1963 civil rights march on Washington D.C., when he made his, I have a dream speech. Thomas said that the rabbi, who survived Nazi concentration camps, told the crowd "the greatest sin of all in the Nazi era was silence."

    "And so we have to speak up for our rights, even at price, even at a cost."
    Tonight, Thomas attended the Arab American National Museum in Dearborn, where a bust of her was unveiled. And she is to speak at a high school in Dearborn on Friday.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    After someone tells a people who were fleeing genocide to go back "home" to the location of said genocide, I just can't take anything they say credibly.
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    Especially when that person's own people got their land by wiping out/forcefully converting the old inhabitants...

    And any time any Arab states that they can't be an anti-Semite because Arabs are Semites, they might as well be saying that I'm not racist because I have a black friend.

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    Not to excuse her comments, which are off the deep end, but when I see somebody who has a long and distinguished career in journalism go rogue at age 90 and start spouting all kinds of lunacy, I think dementia. In fact, that should always be the hunch when you have somebody that age acting WAY THE HELL out of character.

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    You could be right, Tear, but she's hardly been reserved in the past about her feelings vis-a-vis US policy in the Middle East. It's just that this time she went a bit too far. Makes me think that dementia or not, it's what she really thinks, but was smart enough to keep it to herself in the past.

    Bottom line, I don't think she's really acting out of character here.

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