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    While I appreciate your statement that people who 'don't like' that Israel inflicted a 5 figure death toll on civilians in the Gaza strip in less than 2 months are 'anti-sematic' (I assume the logic is that it's 'anti-sematic' to not think that the lives of Palestinians are just intrinsically worth less than those of Israelis which is.. telling), Israel has attacked 100s of protected targets, including hospitals, schools, places of worship and refugee camps. Unless Israel has proof that all of these were being used to make an 'effective contribution to military action' (since 'In case of doubt whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used'), then targeting them was a war crime. If they did have such proof, then we can talk about proportionality. Since Israel actually had boots on the ground in Al-Shifa Hospital, which it claimed was being used as command center, and wasn't able to turn up anything more than a few AKs and a calendar, the chances are they did not have such proof in at least one prominent case. And since Israel has admitted that it's focused on 'what causes maximum damage' (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...line-with-gaza) the chances for proportionality (and discrimination) aren't good either. And that's before we even get on to the blockade, attacks on infrastructure, and collective punishment or the seeming campaign of assassinations against journalists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    While I appreciate your statement that people who 'don't like' that Israel inflicted a 5 figure death toll on civilians in the Gaza strip in less than 2 months are 'anti-sematic' (I assume the logic is that it's 'anti-sematic' to not think that the lives of Palestinians are just intrinsically worth less than those of Israelis which is.. telling), Israel has attacked 100s of protected targets, including hospitals, schools, places of worship and refugee camps. Unless Israel has proof that all of these were being used to make an 'effective contribution to military action' (since 'In case of doubt whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used'), then targeting them was a war crime. If they did have such proof, then we can talk about proportionality. Since Israel actually had boots on the ground in Al-Shifa Hospital, which it claimed was being used as command center, and wasn't able to turn up anything more than a few AKs and a calendar, the chances are they did not have such proof in at least one prominent case. And since Israel has admitted that it's focused on 'what causes maximum damage' (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...line-with-gaza) the chances for proportionality (and discrimination) aren't good either. And that's before we even get on to the blockade, attacks on infrastructure, and collective punishment or the seeming campaign of assassinations against journalists.
    You keep thinking that your opinions about facts you don't have creates realities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    You keep thinking that your opinions about facts you don't have creates realities.
    The international organisations that have accused Israel of War Crimes in Gaza include but are not limited to:

    Human Rights Watch
    Amnesty International
    B'Tselem
    The UN
    Medecins Sans Frontieres
    Oxfam
    Reporters Without Borders
    Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor

    Most or all of them have people on the ground in Gaza.

    But sure, it's just 'my opinion'.
    Last edited by Steely Glint; 12-26-2023 at 01:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    The international organisations that have accused Israel of War Crimes in Gaza include but are not limited to:

    Human Rights Watch
    Amnesty International
    B'Tselem
    The UN
    M?decins Sans Fronti?res
    Oxfam
    Reporters Without Borders
    Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor

    Most or all of them have people on the ground in Gaza.

    But sure, it's just 'my opinion'.
    unsubstantiated accusations do not constitute war crimes. So yes, just a bunch of opinions.
    Congratulations America

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