Heh the Danish can't beat America

[Lewkowski]

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7019669768

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Kris Alingod - AHN News Contributor

Gainesville, FL, United States (AHN) - The city of Gainesville has prohibited a church from holding an "International Burn a Koran Day" next month. The event has drawn worldwide attention and incited anger among conservative and liberal members of the local community, who plan to hold an interfaith gathering in protest of the burning.

City officials have refused to issue a permit for the Dove World Outreach Center to burn the Koran on Sept. 11. According to the Gainesville Sun, the fire ordinance bans open burning and outdoor burning unless otherwise specified.

Dove World Outreach Center, which last month held a rally outside the city's Islamic Center, has sent out a newsletter to the Sun saying it will go ahead with its the burning despite the denial of a permit. The church would likely be fined if it holds its event.

Mayor Craig Lowe, who was the subject of a protest this month from the group for his being the city's first openly gay mayor, has condemned the planned event as "offensive."

"The Dove World Outreach Center is a tiny fringe group and an embarrassment to our community," Lowe said in a statement early this month. "Gainesville is a place that values every person. We may be of different religions, sexual orientations, races, genders, national origins, or ages, but all are welcome here in our efforts to build a better community both locally and globally."

Over the weekend, however, a group that describes itself as an "armed Christian conservative" organization warned it would protect the controversial church.

“We fully support Dove World Outreach Center and its efforts to put an end to the notion that Islam is a peaceful religion. Islam is a violent cult with the goal of world domination," Shannon Carson, founder of Right Wing Extreme, said in a statement to World Correspondents.

Dove World Outreach Center, a New Testament Church, says it will burn the Koran on the anniversary of 9/11 this year "to stand against the evil of Islam." Its senior pastor, Terry Jones, is author of a book, "Islam is of the Devil."

"There is only one true book, and that is the Bible," Jones says in an episode of his Braveheart Show on YouTube. "Demand that all Moslems that are here must adapt to our values, that they become Americans... You come here... you adapt to our values, our Constitution, our way of life... We should stop, immediately, the building of all mosques in America."

Religious leaders in Gainesville have organized an interfaith forum in response to Jones and his church's controversial activities. Dan Johnson, senior minister of the Trinity United Methodist Church, will lead a gathering of Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and other faiths on Sept. 10, the night before the planned burning of the Koran.

"The action the Dove World Outreach Center is proposing is absolutely wrong and counter to the Life and Teaching of the Jesus whom we love, follow and call Savior and Lord," Johnson said in a statement.

"The Jesus that the vast majority of Christians know is a person of extraordinary love and compassion. He extended grace to persons of other faiths and treated them with respect and understanding," he added.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has urged American Muslims to host "Share a Koran" dinners as part of their observance of Ramadan, the ninth month of the Islamic calendar. The civil rights group believes distributing copies of the text to the public, law enforcement officials and journalists will provide accurate information about Islam and thereby decrease anti-Muslim bias.

The controversy over Dove World Outreach Center's planned 9/11 activity comes amid debate about the construction of an Islamic communiy center and mosque two blocks from Ground Zero.

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I'm not particularly supportive of the burning of books but I do find offending terrorists hilarious. Hopefully this story will be wide spread and the morons in their caves can hate us all the more.

[Loki]

How about pointlessly offending over a billion non-terrorist Muslims?

[LittleFuzzy]

There is only one true book? Funny, I thought this collection of bound pages containing a science-fiction story truthfully was a book. Apparently I was wrong. My idea of the definition of "book" must just be totally off base.

[Lewkowski]

How about pointlessly offending over a billion non-terrorist Muslims?

Meh they'll get over it. (Or if they don't and go all terrorist then they get gunned down) Since when do you worry about people being offended? I find jokes on South Park regarding God distasteful but you won't see me whining about it or stabbing someone over it.

[Dreadnaught]

Making a satirical cartoon or comic strip about Islamic extremism (or even religion in general) is one thing. Burning Korans and making a big stink about it simply because you can is just pointless and offensive. It would be as if the Saudi government bought a bunch of land next to Ground Zero to build a giant Wahabbi mosque.

[EmperorNorton]

I'm not particularly supportive of the burning of books but I do find offending terrorists hilarious. Hopefully this story will be wide spread and the morons in their caves can hate us all the more.

Good. Then I assume you wouldn't have a problem with my Bible burning event then?

[Dreadnaught]

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Lewkowski]

Good. Then I assume you wouldn't have a problem with my Bible burning event then?

I would find it distasteful but honestly I really wouldn't think twice about it. I certainly wouldn't issues decrees demanding the deaths of those who did it supporting the violent stabbing of someone mocking my religion. Hey its a free country and vengeance is the Lords.

Making a satirical cartoon or comic strip about Islamic extremism (or even religion in general) is one thing. Burning Korans and making a big stink about it simply because you can is just pointless and offensive.

Being offensive has been food for comedians for years.

[agamemnus]

Lewk, if you lived near the church I don't think you would find the fumes from the burned books hilarious.

I think you would be infuriated and call the fire department or police, or maybe take it into your own hands...?

What would you do if they were just burning wood laced with chemicals, for instance? I smell a logical inconsistency coming up...

[Illusions]

What would you do if they were just burning wood laced with chemicals, for instance? I smell a logical inconsistency coming up...

Or the beginnings of a BBQ.

[Aimless]

What the hell does this have to do with comedy?




I'm surprised you had nothing to say about this particular bit of idiocy:

"Demand that all Moslems that are here must adapt to our values, that they become Americans... You come here... you adapt to our values, our Constitution, our way of life... We should stop, immediately, the building of all mosques in America."

[Hazir]

It's called freedom of expression, a right even the feeble of mind have.

Anyway, with my extremist views of my religion I couldn't care less if he burned 1 or a million books with Koran printed upon it. To worship the physical object is silly, I've never understood it.

[RandBlade]

I'm surprised you had nothing to say about this particular bit of idiocy:

"Demand that all Moslems that are here must adapt to our values, that they become Americans... You come here... you adapt to our values, our Constitution, our way of life... We should stop, immediately, the building of all mosques in America."

Clearly that guy as an "unAmerican moron"

[EyeKhan]

"Dove World Outreach Center ... to burn the Koran ... 'armed Christian conservative' organization ... stand against the evil of Islam"

"the subject of a protest this month from the group for his being the city's first openly gay mayor"

---something doesn't fit---

How about pointlessly offending over a billion non-terrorist Muslims?

Oh, there's a point.

There is only one true book? Funny, I thought this collection of bound pages containing a science-fiction story truthfully was a book. Apparently I was wrong. My idea of the definition of "book" must just be totally off base.

Don't be dense. You're talking about fiction. They're talking about the Bible. Duh.

Note: While I think this burning event is in poor taste and clearly for the stupidest of reasons, it should not, however, be banned or prevented by the government. Free speech, freedom and all that, ya know?

[Loki]

Meh they'll get over it. (Or if they don't and go all terrorist then they get gunned down) Since when do you worry about people being offended? I find jokes on South Park regarding God distasteful but you won't see me whining about it or stabbing someone over it.

South Park jokes are generally funny. This is not. This group is explicitly equating all Muslims with terrorists.

[EyeKhan]

South Park jokes are generally funny. This is not. This group is explicitly equating all Muslims with terrorists.

Worse than that - Islam is of the Devil. You can't get worse than that in church-speak.

Also -

" We should stop, immediately, the building of all mosques in America."

This is very sensible and should be applied to all structures strictly dedicated to worshipping gods of any sort. The money saved should be put toward building shelters for the homeless, providing proper nutrition to the under-nourished, and improving education for all.

[Nessus]

This is very sensible and should be applied to all structures strictly dedicated to worshipping gods of any sort. The money saved should be put toward building shelters for the homeless, providing proper nutrition to the under-nourished, and improving education for all.

Chaloobi 2016, people!

[GGT]

Over the weekend, however, a group that describes itself as an "armed Christian conservative" organization warned it would protect the controversial church.

“We fully support Dove World Outreach Center and its efforts to put an end to the notion that Islam is a peaceful religion. Islam is a violent cult with the goal of world domination," Shannon Carson, founder of Right Wing Extreme, said in a statement to World Correspondents.

Unlike armed US conservative Christians, of course.

I'm not particularly supportive of the burning of books but I do find offending terrorists hilarious. Hopefully this story will be wide spread and the morons in their caves can hate us all the more.

Meh they'll get over it. (Or if they don't and go all terrorist then they get gunned down) Since when do you worry about people being offended? I find jokes on South Park regarding God distasteful but you won't see me whining about it or stabbing someone over it.

No, you just find it hilarious to incite hatred, in order to justify gunning people down, in the name of peaceful loving Christianity. Jesus would be so proud.

[EyeKhan]

Chaloobi 2016, people!

Who dat?

[Spawnie]

Meh they'll get over it. (Or if they don't and go all terrorist then they get gunned down)

Gunning down Islamic enemies of the US is going so well that your current strategy is to manfully withdraw as soon as possible and until that day, spend your time winning hearts and minds and definitely not biting the bullet and fighting the enemy.

So yeah, radicalise the rest of the billion muslims in the world and further bolster the ones you are already having difficulty defeating.

You conservatives. Youre so smart. And so good at war!

[EyeKhan]

Before you poo poo it, consider the problems that a war between Islam and Christianity would solve.

[Steely Glint]

I would find it distasteful but honestly I really
wouldn't think twice about it. I certainly
wouldn't issues decrees demanding the deaths
of those who did it supporting the violent
stabbing of someone mocking my religion. Hey
its a free country and vengeance is the Lords.
Making a satirical cartoon or comic strip about

Does that mean you hold a tube of toothpaste in higher esteemed than your own religion?

[Hazir]

Gunning down Islamic enemies of the US is going so well that your current strategy is to manfully withdraw as soon as possible and until that day, spend your time winning hearts and minds and definitely not biting the bullet and fighting the enemy.

So yeah, radicalise the rest of the billion muslims in the world and further bolster the ones you are already having difficulty defeating.

You conservatives. Youre so smart. And so good at war!

Do you guys even realise how stupid that whole 'radicalise the rest of the billion muslims in the world' sounds? Do all 290 million Americans go postal if an American flag is burned? I know it's a popular idea that all of 'us' are crazies just waiting for a chance to blow the world up. The truth is that even where you see idiots demonstrating in so-called muslim countries they are minorities.

Here in Holland we had the local village idiot (Wilders) who thought he needed to publish a documentary exposing the real evil that Islam really is. In muslim circles the reaction was pretty much a desinterested 'whatever'. The people who fretted most about offending muslims were goddamn socialists who don't even believe anything.

[Nessus]

Do you guys even realise how stupid that whole 'radicalise the rest of the billion muslims in the world' sounds? Do all 290 million Americans go postal if an American flag is burned? I know it's a popular idea that all of 'us' are crazies just waiting for a chance to blow the world up. The truth is that even where you see idiots demonstrating in so-called muslim countries they are minorities.

Here in Holland we had the local village idiot (Wilders) who thought he needed to publish a documentary exposing the real evil that Islam really is. In muslim circles the reaction was pretty much a desinterested 'whatever'. The people who fretted most about offending muslims were goddamn socialists who don't even believe anything.

Part of that idea comes from US journos who toured Af-ghay-nestan interviewing the locals, they kinda focused on how US actions and the right-wing media frenzy was used by Afghani propagandists as proof that the US was waging a war against all of muslimhood, not just the turrrrisrsrsts. There's not much chance of the US invading Holland or France any time soon to exterminate all muslims.

[Hazir]

Part of that idea comes from US journos who toured Af-ghay-nestan interviewing the locals, they kinda focused on how US actions and the right-wing media frenzy was used by Afghani propagandists as proof that the US was waging a war against all of muslimhood, not just the turrrrisrsrsts. There's not much chance of the US invading Holland or France any time soon to exterminate all muslims.

No they'd sooner invade us to disrupt thework of the ICC at The Hague.

But even in bat-fuck crazy Afghanistan 90% of people are more interested in what's for dinner and their favorite soap than in marching against the burning of korans in some shithole in the USA. Let alone start making plans to blow themselves up somewhere thousands miles away from home. The crazies who are up to that are pretty much all recruited anyway. Their ranks are not going to be swelled by burning some paper and cardboard.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

It's called freedom of expression, a right even the feeble of mind have.

Anyway, with my extremist views of my religion I couldn't care less if he burned 1 or a million books with Koran printed upon it. To worship the physical object is silly, I've never understood it.

religion is wasted on 99% of the people who profess to believe. Which is why we're better of without.

[Spawnie]

Do you guys even realise how stupid that whole 'radicalise the rest of the billion muslims in the world' sounds?

I suppose i should point out that i was talking about the "provoke the muslims and then gun down the ones that dont like it" and using the increasing radicalisation of a population as an example of the kind of things that such a tactic brings with it.

However, I wouldnt say it sounds stupid. Since from what ive heard, invading Iraq and Afghanistan has only provided more recruits for Al Quaida and has been the reason we have had so many terrorist attacks in the west since then. Both of those wars are very unpopular, from what ive seen, with the worldwide Muslim population, and its from those numbers that otherwise entirely ordinary young men from Bradford fly off to get trained up in how to make bombs...

Hence the recent change in strategy by the US military to one of protecting civilians and encouraging trade.

So no, I dont realise how stupid it sounds, really. Unless you decided to come swinging in at the turn of phrase rather than the point of mine and Lokis posts...

[Hazir]

I suppose i should point out that i was talking about the "provoke the muslims and then gun down the ones that dont like it" and using the increasing radicalisation of a population as an example of the kind of things that such a tactic brings with it.

However, I wouldnt say it sounds stupid. Since from what ive heard, invading Iraq and Afghanistan has only provided more recruits for Al Quaida and has been the reason we have had so many terrorist attacks in the west since then. Both of those wars are very unpopular, from what ive seen, with the worldwide Muslim population, and its from those numbers that otherwise entirely ordinary young men from Bradford fly off to get trained up in how to make bombs...

Hence the recent change in strategy by the US military to one of protecting civilians and encouraging trade.

So no, I dont realise how stupid it sounds, really. Unless you decided to come swinging in at the turn of phrase rather than the point of mine and Lokis posts...

No, I was reacting to the actual message that it gives. Not only is it offensive to read, it also is the mirror image of the sort of thinking that leads to people excusing terrorism. For most people all just is a far-from-my-bed show with no real relevance to their own lives. The people who hate the US, its policies and are willing to blow themselves up don't need any extra motivation in the form of an american nut burning books.

[termite]

I don't like books of any kind being burned, to burn the written word is to blind your eyes and cower in the shadows of a primitive and desperate past and for what? To destroy the word of another simply because you disagree with the message. Is it worth the price?

Burn the flag if you must, for it is a just a drape, despite the claims of the false patriots men do not fight for flags, they fight for fear, life, love and hope - these things are in all books and never in flags.

[Hazir]

I don't like books of any kind being burned, to burn the written word is to blind your eyes and cower in the shadows of a primitive and desperate past and for what? To destroy the word of another simply because you disagree with the message. Is it worth the price?

Burn the flag if you must, for it is a just a drape, despite the claims of the false patriots men do not fight for flags, they fight for fear, life, love and hope - these things are in all books and never in flags.

I doubt the message of the Koran will be lost if some extremist burns a few copies. As far as the US adminstration doesn't instigate massive book burnings and ends freedom of religion and/or expression there is a reason to start worrying. I may be mistaken, but we haven't reached that point yet.