I to believe in the bible as being the truth. I'm also a Christian, though sometimes it doesn't show. When you die, you will either end up in Heaven or Hell.
I to believe in the bible as being the truth. I'm also a Christian, though sometimes it doesn't show. When you die, you will either end up in Heaven or Hell.
How do you reconcile conflicting information while believing in the Bible as being the truth?Originally Posted by Weber
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
You believe in Hell? What's god like, then? Is he too weak to eradicate Satan? Is he so hateful that he'd imprison a human being's soul in Hell for eternal torture for mistakes they made in life? Is he so unforgiving and without compassion that he'd condemn all of Adam and Eve's descendants to exist as flawed creatures, subject to temptation from Satan and without any direct proof of God's existance, and when they sinned condemn them forever to hell? This is a fucked up god my friend. Very fucked up.
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Wow. What's this emoticon look like:or this one
Wow, the noobs are freaking me out. What's this look like:or this :&
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Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
No God can't just defeat Satan. He is bound by the law of balance in all things. That is why he doesn't just appear to the world and say "Blah-blah-blah and all is well". That would allow Satan the same access to our world. Thus they are both forced to use emissaries, the kind of dumbasses who think they understand it all. But don't listen to me, I only have an idea.
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You have issues. Take out the blue font. It doesn't show up on the shiny dark skin at all.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
Sorry about the blue, just picked one at random I could see better than the black text I keep getting. I'm having to reset everything. But then, I suspect I'm not the only one.
Issues? Lady you got no idea.
The worst job in the world is better than being broke and homeless
While I'd love to hope that some remnant of our consciousness will remain when the meat dies, I accept that the evidence so far points to the meat causing the mind, so that oblivion is all that awaits us.
Sometimes this gives me a minor panic attack if I think about it too much.
Isn't he supposed to be omnipotent and thus bound by no laws?No God can't just defeat Satan. He is bound by the law of balance in all things.
Supposed to be maybe, but I don't see it as "God the almighty creator of all". Why would the universe seek entropy in the way it does if this were so?
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There can't be good without there being bad.
I lean toward Universal Reconciliation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Reconciliation
I enjoy blank walls.
What a bunch of silly nonsense! Might as well worship Athena and Zeus.
Yeah, I get that feeling too.
I've gotten used to it. Its almost comforting to know your choice isn't between lakes of boiling blood and choirs of celibate angels singing "alaleuia" over and over again. Horrible.Sometimes this gives me a minor panic attack if I think about it too much.
Perfect, infinitely loving and compassionate, all powerful, all knowing. Yeah, god can't defeat satan and it can't even tell us about itself. Right.Isn't he supposed to be omnipotent and thus bound by no laws?
So god's not the creator of the universe??? It's just our little human god? What IS the creator of the universe? God's god? Maybe you should worsip that one instead. Less fickle, more powerful. Maybe it can get rid of Satan for you.
That's a bunch of crap. Guess what? There's no Good and there's no Bad, not in a cosmic, flows from God/Satan sense. Good is whatever satisfies our physical and cultural requirements for goodness and evil is what satisfies similar requirements for badness. Example - starvation is bad. Making people starve is really bad. Starving pregnant women and children is the worst. All of this flows from biological imperatives and our instinctual and cultural rules that have evolved with our species. Not Satan.
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Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Wonderful! I love it. Its a much better belief system than the childish concept of heaven and hell. IMHO there is no salvation avalialbe or necessary. If anything, salvation is something humanity could acheive here in our societies, amongst each other. When there ceases to be have-nots, when there ceases to be warfare between cultures, relgions, ethnicities, when everyone learns to treat each other with a certain minimum of respect, allowing people to live more or less as they choose, then we will have found a kind of real salvation. But there's no apparent god out there demanding and teaching us to do this. Not as far as I can tell.
What this amounts to is our minds, our learning, our ability to choose our behavior, overcoming our instinctual, hard wired tendencies. The duality is animal vs. rational. The gut urge, vs. the thoughtful consideration.
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Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Who are you responding to?
I enjoy blank walls.
Theological problems are so much easier to solve when you can just make vague sounding laws up out of thin air.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Isn't that the only way to "solve" them?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Vague? the concept of balance is prevalent in everything we experience. supply and demand; give and take; predator and prey, the list goes on. It's like yin-yang, not at all "made up out of thin air". If a system is not in balance it degrades, falls apart, and dies. Nature won't allow it to continue in an unstable state. In fact, nature occassionally injects a new variable to balance the system, or modifies the system itself in order to restore it to a balanced state. So, I don't think I've made anything up out of thin air. If there indeed is a god, and he created everything, it is through this law that he accomplished it.
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This is not even remotely true when looking at the Universe around us
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Uhm... are you serious?
The worst job in the world is better than being broke and homeless
Very much so. Are you?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Of course. Do you think I say shit I don't mean? I'm not saying balance exists everywhere, but where it doesn't exist chaos emerges. Now you're going point out that the chaos balances the order?
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So i see...
How long did you think about that sentence before posting it?
"Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.
What do you even mean with the terms chaos and balance?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
You. Sorry, mixed up.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
There are other, more draconian ways.Like genocide.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Balance doesn't exist anywhere for any length of time. Look around you. Read a history book. Take a biology or physics class. Nothing is in balance for very long, if ever. Such things are illusion or hope sprung from short-sighted and ignorant human minds.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Order is predictable and balanced/countered by forces that act contrary to their normal behaviors, or Chaotically.
replace 'balance' in that statement with 'order' and I'd agree. Neither order nor chaos exist in system for long. The constant flux is the balance I refer to.
Last edited by rumrunner; 01-24-2010 at 05:51 PM.
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That's circular reasoning at its finest. Or what would you call "normal" behaviour other than "ordered" behaviour?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Me? I'd called it boring and stagnating. Circular indeed, on that we agree. Everything spins.
That's circular reasoning at its finest. Or what would you call "normal" behaviour other than "ordered" behaviour?
The worst job in the world is better than being broke and homeless
There is no BALANCE! Everything is becoming something else, changing linearly, not oscillating from one extreme to another. The universe is the simplest example. It went BOOM and has been cooling and expanding ever since. It will eventually cool to the point that molecular motion stops and everything will be cold and dark forever. That's it. No fucking balance, no return to whateverthe fuck. The Earth is like that too. It went from a fiery hell hole to a much ocean world with living scum for three billion years before some how by some accident multi-cellular organisms appeared. That wasn't some orderly thing back and forth, it was linear. And it will continue. There is no cycle, no bouncing from one to the other. That's a fantasy.
That's circular reasoning at its finest. Or what would you call "normal" behaviour other than "ordered" behaviour?
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
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