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    Default Court affirms overturning Fla. gay adoption ban

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100922/...ptions_florida

    MIAMI – Florida will immediately stop enforcing its ban on adoptions by gay people following a decision by a state appeals court that the three-decade-old law is unconstitutional, Gov. Charlie Crist said Wednesday. Crist announced the decision after the 3rd District Court of Appeal upheld a 2008 ruling by a Miami-Dade judge, who found "no rational basis" for the ban when she approved the adoption of two young brothers by Martin Gill and his male partner.
    "I'm very pleased with the ruling on behalf of the Gills," Crist told reporters in Tallahassee. "It's a great day for children. Children deserve a loving home."
    The appeals court decision is not the final word on the law. Gill and the American Civil Liberties Union, which represented him and his partner, want the state to take the case to the Florida Supreme Court to obtain a final statewide determination on the law.
    "If that continues to be their desire, we would support that, and I think given the makeup of the current Supreme Court they would have a very good chance to get a very good ruling," said Crist, a former Republican running for the U.S. Senate as an independent.
    Earlier this month, Crist's campaign issued a position paper supporting several gay rights issues he'd once opposed, including adoption rights.
    The prohibition was first enacted in 1977 and is the only law of its kind in the nation, according to court records. Arkansas and Utah ban any unmarried straight or gay couples from adopting or fostering children. Mississippi bans gay couples, but not single gays, from adopting.
    "Clearly, Florida's law was the most draconian in the nation until today," said Robert Rosenwald, the lead counsel on the case for the Florida ACLU.
    In a 28-page opinion, a three-judge panel of the court noted that gay people are permitted to become foster parents or legal guardians in Florida, yet are the only group not allowed to adopt.
    "It is difficult to see any rational basis in utilizing homosexual persons as foster parents or guardians on a temporary or permanent basis, while imposing a blanket prohibition on those same persons," wrote Judge Gerald Cope for the panel. "All other persons are eligible to be considered case-by-case to be adoptive parents."
    The ruling came in an appeal of the 2008 decision by the state Department of Children and Families, which had urged the judges to consider evidence of what it said were risk factors among potential gay parents. These factors, according to attorneys for the department, included more sexual activity by children of gay parents and more incidents of teasing and bullying suffered by children from gay households.
    The appeals panel said the state's evidence did not back up those claims and that its "experts' opinions were not valid from a scientific point of view." DCF also now agrees, according to Wednesday's ruling, "that gay people and heterosexuals make equally good parents."
    DCF said in a statement late Wednesday it was analyzing the decision and would decide ahead of the 30-day deadline whether to appeal. The statement said the agency is trying to find "the balance between the value of a final ruling from the Florida Supreme Court versus the impact on the Gill family."
    Gill said he'll take the case as far as he can if the state appeals. The yearlong wait for the decision has been agony, with him worrying "week after week that my kids might be taken away."
    "We're thrilled for the Gill family and we're thrilled for what this means for the advancment for human rights in the state of Florida," said Howard Simon, executive director of the ACLU of Florida, which represented the Gill family.
    Gill has tried to shield the boys, now 6 and 10, by not discussing that ramifications of the case with them and putting blocks on their TV at home. If the state doesn't appeal, Gill said he can't wait to tell them he and his partner are their "forever parents" and they can finally share the same last name. It's been disappointing for the boys to enroll in school with different last names, he said.
    "I'm actually going to get their birth certificates with me listed as their father. That will be a thrilling thing for me," Gill told The Associated Press in a telephone call. "I think the birth certificates are going to have a prominent place in our house. That will be the written proof of all of this struggle."
    Matthew Staver, an attorney with Virginia-based Liberty Counsel, which supports the ban, said adoption is a privilege, not a right under Florida law. The agency filed a friend-of-the-court brief supporting that position.
    "Common sense and human history underscore the fact that children need a mother and a father," Staver said in a statement. "Gender does matter to the well-being of children. Moms and dads are not optional non-essential in the lives of children."
    Frankly, I think this is long overdue! I applaud the Appeals Court in this decision. I have never seen any reason a gay couple would be any worse as parents than a straight couple. FFS, children do not come with instruction manuals. If two men or two women can provide a loving, stable environment to a child, let them do it!
    I don't have a problem with authority....I just don't like being told what to do!Remember, the toes you step on today may be attached to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!RIP Fluffy! 01-07-09 I'm so sorry Fluffster! People who don't like cats were probably mice in an earlier life! My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely!The nice part about living in a small town: When you don't know what you're doing, someone else always does!
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    That is great. Though I can't help but be weirded out by Charlie Christ's blatant flip-flop on these issues. Granted, he's flipping in some areas that I approve of, but doesn't anyone find it odd?

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    Christ isn't restricted by party lines anymore, so maybe we're seeing a politican that can think for himself, and maybe we're seeing a politican thats gunning for the undecided vote. We've went into Christ before on these boards. Cue Loki.

    And maybe, maybe just this once, we're seeing a politican not wasting tax payer money fighting a court battle he knows he won't win just to please the biggots/christians/assholes who don't understand people that are different.

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    Is it me or are we establishing a lot of jurisprudence shredding the conservative christian prejduces as irrelevant?
    Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Is it me or are we establishing a lot of jurisprudence shredding the conservative christian prejduces as irrelevant?
    Well, can we agree that over time the world slowly gets less bigoted and prone to Dark Ages attitudes? In fits and starts, sure, but that is the trend. I'd say it is mostly due to fundamental human traits: when one is young, one is open to new ideas. As one ages, one becomes more set in his ways, but it generally unwilling to repudiate ideas held dear when younger (that would entail too much cognitive dissonance, requiring one to admit that they were wrong.) This trend is what ensures change. Additionally, in a world with progressively less want, the old reasons with which hatreds of Other were rationalized have gone by the wayside. Consequently, the general public is willing to entertain notions of equality that they wouldn't have in the past.

    Also, I need to admit I was wrong on this. A few years back I was concerned that pushing so hard for gay rights was too early, and that there would be a serious backlash. Clearly I was wrong. The tide has turned, and the momentum for gay rights seems to be irresistible. Doubtlessly there will be more hiccups, but I think we have passed the inflection point.

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