it's finally happened: minxdroid

[Aimless]

First thoughts: I won't be writing any essays on this

[EyeKhan]

I need more.

[Nessus]

In the midnight hour babe

More, more, more

[EyeKhan]

with a rebel yell, she cries
more more mor-ew-ore

[earthJoker]

Google doesn't know it, so it doesn't exists.

[Dreadnaught]

First thoughts: I won't be writing any essays on this

You gots an Android phone?

[Aimless]

Yessir! Getting acquainted with the HTC desire very pleased with the phone itself so far but less pleased with google's decision to block paid apps for Swedish users got the damned thing mostly with those paid apps in mind, hope it gets resolved soon

Became much easier to type with some changes including actually holding the phone in landscape mode... durrr

[Dreadnaught]

I don't think it's an active decision as much as a pending business reality.

From a post on a message board at code.google.com (someone filed a bug saying they couldn't access the Market):

I'll add something constructive to this thread.

There are several issues being reported here.

1) Some countries do not have access to paid apps (and some apps are not released in
certain countries, eg market is not on everyone's phone)
2) Some mobile providers block paid app access (eg, optus/virgin in Australia)
3) Paid apps are not available without a sim card in the phone

it may be that 1 and 2 are related, but i think google may possibly block the market
in some countries, as opposed to there just being no providers in the country
supporting android. There must be some laws that prevent the market from being
released in its current form in some countries.

The reason for this "bug" is that mobile providers get a share of profits from paid
apps. Some want more profit than google want to give, others just don't want to sign
an agreement with google.

In the current setup, this issue is completely out of google's control. I don't know
what the reason is for giving carriers profits, but there must be some reason why it
is done. Perhaps one day google can get rid of this neccessity, but currently the
blame for these issues falls squarely on the mobile providers blocking paid apps.

If you want to fix this issue on your phone, market enabler is your only option
unless your provider will listen to your complaints and activate paid apps on their
network

Again, please just "star" this thread rather than replying to show your support,
unless you have something useful to add!

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3380

Android being open source, you could always just hack it. Google Checkout works there, so there is no technical reason you can't buy apps. It sounds like an issue of the carriers holding up the market.

[Flixy]

If I may ask, which paid apps did you have in mind?

[Aimless]

I don't think it's an active decision as much as a pending business reality.

From a post on a message board at code.google.com (someone filed a bug saying they couldn't access the Market):



Android being open source, you could always just hack it. Google Checkout works there, so there is no technical reason you can't buy apps. It sounds like an issue of the carriers holding up the market.

Good to have some explanations, and I hope they all get their acts together soon I'm hesitant to fiddle with the OS right now, not sure what the rules are atm

If I may ask, which paid apps did you have in mind?

Tons and tons... have them all filed away somewhere. Swype, locale, a host of medical apps (eg. Medicine Review )...meh, will have to manage without for a while I guess. There are plenty of very useful free apps to keep me busy in the meantime. Flash-card mayhem

[EyeKhan]

Comatose. Prostrate. Cerebellum.

[Timbuk2]

I'd like to see a side-by-side review of the iPhuk4 and a decent 'droid phone, such as the Desire.

The interface on the HTC I've seen wasn't as slick as the iPhone, but that is only one aspect. I've not played with either to any great extent.

Upgrade time is approaching soonish, and now that Apple are selling the iPhone on networks here other than O2, I can get one on Vodafone which is what I need. Droid handsets are selling well though ...

[Aimless]

http://www.google.se/search?sourceid...+vs+htc+desire

[Aimless]

so today I got the slideit app and it makes typing ridiculously easy and fast software keys are just not very good for one- handed typing and apps such as slideit and swype offer much-needed enhancements for typing on touch-screens. it's like regular writing on a phone vs using t9. naturally there are some problems but overall I'm very pleased this post was written using slideit!

[Ziggy Stardust]

Just a phone.

[Aimless]

There's a nicotine app

[Ziggy Stardust]

I have other characteristics

[Aimless]

Did I mention it's really old?

[EyeKhan]

I have other characteristics

Davide Bowie Fanboy App?

[Kazuha Vinland]

Hey-hey-hey!



Based on my fiddling experience with it thus far, you definitely made the right choice. The hardware is powerful enough to drive the OS, the size is nice and the price tag even nicer. The next generation mostly raises the claim with a better display - I find the Desire one to be splendid as it is. Having Android is what counts. Only bummer is battery. Hardly lasts a day even, sigh.

[Dreadnaught]

The Desire looks a lot like the Nexus One I got earlier this year. I'm guessing the batteries and basic power consumption must be the same. But I get 1.5 - 2 full days if I turn 3G off.

Have you ever used the diagnostic to see which services are sucking up the most battery life? I'm eternally suspicious of the HTC Sense interface. I appreciate that the Samsung Galaxy at least keeps the stock Android UI.

[earthJoker]

Hey-hey-hey!
Hardly lasts a day even, sigh.

I get at least 2 days. Well I turn off all connections (3G, WiFi ect) when I don't need them.

[Flixy]

I get ~1.5 days with 3G on, but only regularly checking email and maybe facebook once in a while. If I am abroad and have no internet, it lasts for ~4 days or so. (samsung galaxy s)

[Aimless]

I'm pretty sure I could extend battery life a great deal by rooting it and installing a good custom ROM and setCPU, but I haven't yet worked up the courage to do so. I wonder if flash is the battery killer I suspect it is, should find out

The haptic feedback is probably not very battery-friendly either, but I like it a lot.

[earthJoker]

I wonder if I should get a slide app for writing.

[Dreadnaught]

I get ~1.5 days with 3G on, but only regularly checking email and maybe facebook once in a while. If I am abroad and have no internet, it lasts for ~4 days or so. (samsung galaxy s)

That's about what I get with my Nexus. I think a big battery saver is using the browser for e-mail and not using apps. I basically don't use many apps, I do most things in the browser with the occasional Maps and Camera usage. Maybe a game or book here and there.

[Kazuha Vinland]

The battery is at 30% after 18 hours of use. 26% standby, 26% Wi-Fi, 22% phone idle, 19% Android system (and HTC Sense?), 5% display, 2% dialer.

I find those to be quite high numbers for when the phone is this little in use. It should at least manage 2 days with light usage. =/

[Dreadnaught]

This is interesting. It must be the damn HTC Sense. Here are my proportions on my Nexus One:

39% display
24% cell standby
22% phone idle
8% browser
4% Android system
2% Android OS

19% for the system probably means that damn Sense interface is just sucking down power somehow.

[Aimless]

hmmm

104h uptime, 6.5h awake time, 6.5h since unplugged... android system 6% use. Rather than sense itself it may be that some of the app that come with sense drain the battery through unnecessarily eager syncing. turn off background data and remove those apps from your sync list, should be a little better

I use Launcher Pro, some of the sense apps still load, but they don't really do much.

[Aimless]

http://myhtcdesire.com/tutorials/how...ation-tutorial

anyone have any idea why this may work?