Is it an insult if it's physically undoable?
Is it an insult if it's physically undoable?
Hope is the denial of reality
I am so infinitely sorry I don't subscribe to the brand of state rights vs federalism debate Lewk wants to engage in. We both know the reason, partly, behind his desire to curb-stomp the feds is a desire to empower the local gummints. Not for a second do I think he would not use that power to brutalize people who do not fit his congregation's needs and wants vis a vis moral behaviour. This is the way lolbertarians work; they just want to privatize fascism.Originally Posted by Loki
You know as well as I do that most of our citations are gone, all I can go on is my impression of his posting behaviour. Fuzzy suggested I am a close-minded, bigoted jack-ass and thus against Lewk, because it is part of the left-wing bread and butter that we embrace the bigoted bullies instead of declaring them lebes unwertes leben. I don't really have a problem with that; if the good and kind peoples of this forum find me repugnant because I abhor Lewkowski, they are free to do so. I simply resent the atmosphere where I am supposed to be a dumb, uncomprehending turd for not understanding Lewk's particular issues.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
What exactly are you basing this on? Lewk has been pretty consistent in voicing support for libertarian-style economic and social policies...I really don't understand where you're coming from.
You're attributing views and intentions to him that are simply inconsistent with everything he's ever posted here. Just because you two disagree on all the issues doesn't mean that he wants harm done to you; if anything, it looks like the reverse is true. You cannot call behavior only you seem to think targets you to be bullying.You know as well as I do that most of our citations are gone, all I can go on is my impression of his posting behaviour. Fuzzy suggested I am a close-minded, bigoted jack-ass and thus against Lewk, because it is part of the left-wing bread and butter that we embrace the bigoted bullies instead of declaring them lebes unwertes leben. I don't really have a problem with that; if the good and kind peoples of this forum find me repugnant because I abhor Lewkowski, they are free to do so. I simply resent the atmosphere where I am supposed to be a dumb, uncomprehending turd for not understanding Lewk's particular issues.
Hope is the denial of reality
That's real clever, saying I want to brutalize him based on nothing at all because you think I say the same of him based on an equal level of understanding.
What I base it on? He has stated that he'd have no problem with businesses discriminating against people for this and that because freeeeeeedoooooooom, and you cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me he doesn't expect his good ole boy yokelist bull-shit to win the markets in the South. He wants all the racists and bigots to have free reign; the free markets work both ways, the niggers and faggots and other lubrls would have to take their business to Kike York because they sure as Shit are not welcome in the Good South.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
That might very well be the consequence of his ideology, but those are not the consequences he wants to see happen. To blame him for that likelihood is like blaming socialists for supporting poverty.
Hope is the denial of reality
To show my opposition to gravity, I am buying plane tickets right now
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
You have it backwards. I've read the source material on both and Cthulhu is much more frightening than Satan. You could even argue Satan's just an argument for personal freedom (or chaos) in the face of an overly domineering Creator/God. The ultimate underdog / petulant teen. Really, the scariest thing about Satan is he lives in a fiery, boiling blood torture chamber to which a mortal might find himself committed to for an eternity of afterlife and the fact is all of that is the work of God! Who's the scary one now?
Oh, and not every issue. I tend to come down on the side of humanism and personal freedom... and I love the pursuit of knowledge. Science will eventually set us all free, I think. That or genocide.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Well first off there is the liberals/elitists thing, of which he classes quite a few of us, so while I wouldn't say he dishes out insults of the colorful sort other posters are capable of, he still makes an attempt at belittling or casting people in a poor light. As for even-tempered, which would you prefer seeing more in public, a man ranting about hateful things with anger in his voice, or a man ranting about hateful things who was even-tempered?
I don't think Lewk wishes to be a bully, but does not mind, or is even happy if his chosen policies have the effect of enabling bullies to prosper (especially if they bully groups of people Lewk doesn't like). He has voiced numerous times that he finds it humerous if a non-violent, law-abiding, anti-war protester or "hippie" gets their face bashed in or the shit beaten out of them by an opposing crowd or the police. If a restaurant decides to not serve certain people, he is not angered or disgusted, he's completely fine with it. He approves of his home defense and personal security ideas because it allows people to kill other people he does not like.As a personal matter he has a religious-based objection to homosexuality but doesn't bring it up unless someone else does, supports same-sex unions, and thinks Don't Ask Don't Tell is moronic. He doesn't think someone smoking dope is an issue that concerns him. He strongly supports self and home-defense, even to the point of lethality, and when broadly castigated for this evinced a strong tendency to demonstrate that belief in increasingly tasteless circumstances. His politics are highly partisan, expressing in abstract an ideology of government minimalism which he did not always follow through on solidly when it came to real politics.
Where does any of this look like the bullying Nessus has alleged? For that matter, please tell me where in his posting history that he taken any opinions we consider bigoted and spoken of making them policy, of trying to force the rest of society to share his views?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Until you come up with some, the numerous threads expressing joy and bestowing the title of hero upon these people seems to be evidence contrary to your claim.Do I think Lewk is really happy that someone was strangled over a tube of toothpaste? No, I don't.
Yet I don't think any of us were overjoyed or happy about the outcome.Nor do I think he was horrified. I doubt many of us were really horrified by that story, whatever intellectual gloss we assumed for our visible reactions.
Oh, you mean how he doesn't judge others for what he feels to be distasteful by labeling them liberals or elitists? We just had an instance of this with him remarking about Tear.He's publicly judged for that, frequently, by people on here, who find his opinions distasteful, but he mostly doesn't take the time to publicly judge others for what he feels to be distasteful.
I never alleged any such thing, I just wished to point out that thoughts are equally as telling about a person as their actions.So who is being intolerant, really? Who is actually treating people badly, in the only sphere we can see, which you allege tells us how people behave in all spheres of life?
Like I've outlined above it doesn't really make him a saint. He would be delighted if someone else treated others in accordance with his personal opinions, he would perhaps even champion them as we've seen with his posts about people killing thieves.By your standard*, Lewk is a saint among monsters. He's a bigot who doesn't actually treat people in accordance with his personal opinions, while most posters on here are bigots who do treat people in accordance with their intolerance.
Yes, but we all display different amounts of intolerance, and intolerance doesn't always have a negative effect upon society (consider intolerance towards rape, murder, etc.). Lewk is pretty egregious in this case though. Lewk is also the only poster who has displayed that he will not change his mind in regards to his intolerance and bigotry.*And I'll note that apparently, in strict discordance with the many claims of a morally relativistic world by most of Lewk's attackers, that apparently "bigotry" is binary and all-encompassing, that apparently we do live in a morally objective world and that objective standard is set by intolerance, which we all display.
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I still can't get my head around the kind of mental loops one must make to conclude that holding certain beliefs is itself a form of bullying. Can people please be just a little less self-serving? No one is falling for it.
Hope is the denial of reality
I've spoken with Dread about this, and we don't think there's anything of value that we can get by letting this go on, and this could too easily slip into a very bad place, so I'm going to try to cut this off before it gets there.
If anyone sees a post where they think Lewk is intentionally trolling or otherwise doing something wrong, please report it. If it meets the bar, the mods will do something about it. For any objectionable posts that aren't mod-actionable, the ignore function is fantastic and everyone should feel free to partake.
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