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    Default Federal Reserve Details Emergency Programs

    By Rick Brooks and Stephen Grocer

    As a result of the Dodd-Frank financial-overhaul law passed in July, the Federal Reserve must reveal a trove of information about the banks, securities firms, other companies and central banks that were helped by various emergency programs created during the financial crisis.

    The data released Wednesday include short-term liquidity moves for financial institutions and companies made as part of the Fed’s traditional role as lender of last resort, liquidity injections directly to borrowers and investors in key credit markets and financial support for Bear Stearns Cos. and American International Group Inc. (See all the data from the Fed)

    Fed officials reported details on more than 21,000 transactions from December 2007 to July 2010. The emergency programs caused the size of the Fed’s balance sheet to swell. (See a history of the Fed’s lending)

    While some of the programs have been wound down as the health of financial markets improved, the Fed still holds most of the assets it took on during the crisis. As of Nov. 17, the Fed had $2.3 trillion in assets.

    Federal officials didn’t disclose which financial institutions turned to the Fed’s traditional discount window during the financial crisis.

    Here is a description of the emergency programs for which new details were released Wednesday:

    Term Auction Facility (TAF): Created in December 2007 as bank funding markets were strained, deposit-taking institutions got access to 28- and 84-day funding. The program was open to all banks with access to the primary discount window. The last TAF auction was held March 8, 2010.

    Primary Dealer Credit Facility (PDCF): Announced in March 2008, this overnight loan program provided funding to primary dealers and bolster financial markets overall. Credit tapped under the program was secured with collateral. The PDCF was shut down on Feb. 1, 2010.

    Term Securities Lending Facility (TSLF): The TSLF loaned Treasury securities to certain investment banks for one month in return for pledged collateral. The program was aimed at boosting confidence in those firms. TSLF was closed on Feb. 1, 2010.

    Central bank liquidity swaps: The Fed made agreements with 14 central banks around the world to provide liquidity in U.S. dollars to overseas markets. The agreements terminated on Feb. 1, 2010.

    Commercial Paper Funding Facility (CPFF): In response to difficulty companies had raising money in the commercial paper market, the Fed offered to purchase highly rated, three-month commercial paper. The goals were to persuade investors to lend to top-tier companies and give borrowers a backstop if funds can’t be obtained in the open market. The CPFF began operations on Oct. 27, 2008, and closed on Feb. 1, 2010.

    The Asset-Backed Commercial Paper Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility (AMLF): Launched on September 2008, this program was designed to restore confidence to the market for asset-backed commercial paper. Money-market funds, fearing they couldn’t sell these securities to meet redemptions, had stopped buying asset-backed commercial paper. Under AMLF, the Fed loaned money to banks to buy up all of the asset-backed commercial paper that a money-market fund wanted to sell.

    Money Market Investor Funding Facility (MMIFF): The Fed launched MMIFF on Nov. 24, 2008 to restore liquidity to the money markets. The MMIFF set up five special purpose vehicles to buy as much as $600 billion in short-term debt like U.S.-dollar-denominated commercial paper, bank notes and certificates of deposit from money funds from 50 designated financial institutions. The designated institutions were among the largest issuers of highly rated short-term liabilities held by money market mutual funds including Bank of America Corp., General Electric Co., BNP Paribas SA and Société Générale SA. The MMIFF ended on Oct. 30, 2009.

    Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility (TALF): Launched on March 31, 2009, the $1 trillion program was designed to bring back to life the asset-backed securities market which funded a substantial share of consumer credit and small business loans. The TALF program made non-recourse loans to qualified holders of AAA-rated asset-backed securities securing the loans with the ABSs thereby increasing credit availability for businesses and consumers by facilitating renewed issuance of ABS backed by loans to consumers and businesses at more normal interest rates.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...gency-lending/


    Maybe we'll get a WikiLeak with the names of the financial institutions.....

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    Reactions? Opinions? Everyone pleased with these interventions (or their need)?

    We plugged the dyke with some fingers, averted a complete meltdown of our financial system. How does our central bank rate on its dual mandate for price stability and full employment?

    Q: Who does our monetary system benefit? The main populace of workers, or the financial industry?
    Q: Does our financial system encourage growth for our nation, or growth for money managers?
    Q: Do our monetary and fiscal policies work in tandem for the whole nation, or just a few?



    EDIT to add:


    Bonds sink further on report of U.S aid to Europe
    Interesting user comment below, with more links.

    US treasury to send envoy to Spain for an emergency economic meeting to discuss possible debt contagion that may put Spain at risk o of needing a bailout as Portugal may be downgraded an d the possibility that Further FED, EU and IMF funds may be required for more bailouts to attempt to hold back European economic collapse, that would bring down the entire global economy:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...gion-risk.html
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-...ort-2010-12-01

    Banksters party with their remunerations and bonuses buying new Porsches whilst ordinary people go bankrupt and are thrown on the streets.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/por...416-2010-12-01

    Wall Street parties as Main Street burns!
    Bonuses to the banksters, austerity to the people!


    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bon...ope-2010-12-01


    Last edited by GGT; 12-01-2010 at 08:56 PM.

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    The interventions so far have done what we expected them to —*stopped a financial crisis that would have ruined all of us. Though I think the Fed's dual mandate is inherently contradictory. Sometimes they have to sacrifice employment to control inflation. The "full employment" mandate is a doormat for politicization of the Fed.

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    The interventions so far have done what we expected them to -- *move wealth from the public to the private sector. Maybe someday the Fed will sacrifice private sector profits in favor of a more conducive employment environment so that everyone who wants a job will have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    The interventions so far have done what we expected them to —*stopped a financial crisis that would have ruined all of us. Though I think the Fed's dual mandate is inherently contradictory. Sometimes they have to sacrifice employment to control inflation. The "full employment" mandate is a doormat for politicization of the Fed.
    We know, crisis averted, hi five for the Fed! Depends on how you look at the mess makers. IMO it should never have gotten that bad, that extreme, that rotten at its foundation. (Remember the threads we had during that time, posters convinced it was all the fault of mortgage borrowers?) And nothing has changed.

    Masters of the Universe:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ANK_CHART_1012

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    We know, crisis averted, hi five for the Fed! Depends on how you look at the mess makers. IMO it should never have gotten that bad, that extreme, that rotten at its foundation. (Remember the threads we had during that time, posters convinced it was all the fault of mortgage borrowers?) And nothing has changed.

    Masters of the Universe:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ANK_CHART_1012
    We would have been far better off without the FED interfering. Sure there would have been more short term pain but it would have cleaned out the bad banks and brought housing to an appropriate level quickly. More importantly we would not be rewarding excessive risk and shoddy business practices.

    That being said of course mortgage borrowers contributed to the mess. A lot of folks foolishly purchased more house then they could afford. Whose fault is that? The rating agencies were also at fault. As were idiotic banks that made stupid loans (again they should have gone under). And then of course lets not forget to blame the FEDERAL RESERVE for inflating the housing market in the first place!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    We know, crisis averted, hi five for the Fed! Depends on how you look at the mess makers. IMO it should never have gotten that bad, that extreme, that rotten at its foundation. (Remember the threads we had during that time, posters convinced it was all the fault of mortgage borrowers?) And nothing has changed.

    Masters of the Universe:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ANK_CHART_1012
    Forgive me, has the consensus changed that people borrowed too much and banks lent too much? We can cry all day about what got us here, the point is we averted a crisis.

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    The crisis hasn't been averted it has been focused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Forgive me, has the consensus changed that people borrowed too much and banks lent too much? We can cry all day about what got us here, the point is we averted a crisis.
    Ah, again with the kudos for averting a crisis and global meltdown! Give those guys a raise, and million dollar holiday bonii! Freeee markets and Capitalism are vindicated! US Federal Reserve--lender of last resort--for the world! Whew, that was a close one. Carry on, business as usual. Go go USA #1!



    Forgive me for noticing how truly fucked up this has gotten. Creating $3.3 TRILLION of facilities, printing BILLIONS of dollars , to prop up the same special interest assholes that created the crisis. The consensus about banks lending to the wrong people remains, along with the consensus that the financial wizards were greedy, reckless, arrogant, and dangerous. Over-leveraged, over-securitized, under-supervised. Notice the hedge funds and investment firms that profited? First from spiking the punch, acting like drunken sailors, nearly capsizing the ship....then MORE profits, being paid to clean up their own vomit. Pirates, really. Good work if you can get it?

    Seriously, for a guy who claims to be worried about the unsustainability of our debt and deficit, our taxes, our gummint's profligate ways, you sound nonplussed about the state of our affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    The interventions so far have done what we expected them to —*stopped a financial crisis that would have ruined all of us. Though I think the Fed's dual mandate is inherently contradictory. Sometimes they have to sacrifice employment to control inflation. The "full employment" mandate is a doormat for politicization of the Fed.
    This is interesting - I find this surprising, since by far the more 'political' issue at the moment is inflation (and how the Fed's doing a bad job of controlling it) as opposed to employment, which they have done a terrible job of helping in the last couple of years. Also, I think it can be quite dangerous to have a single inflation target as your mandate (though actually the Fed doesn't have an official target) - it can lead to focusing on one number rather than the health of the economy. Employment is one easy measure of this, though of course they could use other ones if you'd prefer.

    I think the real challenge is that the Fed has very well-honed tools to directly control inflation through the money supply. But AFAIK there isn't as close a coupling between Fed actions and employment levels - clearly monetary policy is related to employment, but it's not a thermostat they can turn up or down. This doesn't mean they shouldn't work to develop better tools, though.

    GGT: I think most of the Fed's interventions were absolutely necessary to prevent truly catastrophic things from happening. That doesn't mean I think it's a good thing; many of these interventions led to unprecedented situations that will have repercussions for a long time to come. This also doesn't absolve the Fed of all responsibility for the crisis - the Fed helped feed the bubbles that caused these problems, though they're by no means the only people to blame.

    I think the problem is that many people are angry at various aspects of our system, including the Fed, for failing to detect and prevent this crisis in the first place. It might be a bit unfair, as this is a lot clearer in hindsight, but there's definitely some reason for this anger. The problem is that then people transfer the anger to any action of the Fed, despite the fact that its crisis management since then has been pretty good (I'm not sure I'd say 'stellar', but not far from it).

    I also find it surprising that you are so focused on anger at the Fed that you'll say their 'fixes' only helped the financial industry. That's patently false from a number of perspectives, but the most important one is that John Q. Public would be a lot worse off if the financial industry hadn't been saved. Not only that, but Fed actions invariably directly affect the financial industry more so than other industries, and much more so than individuals - that's just how monetary policy works. If you want more personal effects, you'll have to turn to fiscal policy for tax breaks and benefits and the like.

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    I guess the difference between 'providing liquidity' and 'bailing out' can't be stressed enough. If people think there is actual money given to banks to bail them out they either want a share of the money or get pissed because their money is spent.
    Congratulations America

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    wiggin, my anger is from years of frustration, and it's not directed solely at the Fed.

    You've been around here long enough to know I've posted about <exploding debt, debt as income, synthetic securitization, high frequency trading, big banks, housing bubbles, too big to fail/too big to succeed, lax or downright immoral business ethics, conflicts of interest in our politics, our 2 party system entrenched with lobbyists and special interests, corruption and croneyism, an economy based around finances instead of the other way around, income inequality, hollowing out middle class, entitlements, healthcare, education....etc etc!>

    They all tie together, ya know. Sure, it's whining on a forum. Some say I'm being overly critical or pessimistic, even "chicken little". American Exceptionalism? what a joke. We can do better, we should do better, we should demand better in every area, structurally and fundamentally. I'm tired of the Band-Aid approach, Good 'Nuff or "I got mine, you're on your own" attitude that's become our new American Tradition.


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    A NYT op-ed that I totally agree with:

    THE world has experienced a severe financial crisis and economic recession. The Treasury and the Federal Reserve took actions that saved businesses and jobs and may very well have saved the economy itself from ruin. Still, the public seems ungrateful, expressing anger at these institutions that saved the day. Why?

    Americans are angry in part because they sense that the government was as much a cause of the crisis as its cure. They realize that more must be done to address a threat that remains increasingly a part of our economy: financial institutions that are “too big to fail.”

    During the 1990s, Congress, with encouragement from academics and regulators, repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, the Depression-era law that had barred commercial banks from undertaking the riskier activities of investment banks. Following this action, the regulatory authority significantly reduced capital requirements for the largest investment banks.

    Less than a decade after these changes, the investment firm Bear Stearns failed. Bear was the smallest of the “big five” American investment banks. Yet to avoid the damage its failure might cause, billions of dollars in public assistance was provided to support its acquisition by JPMorgan Chase. Soon other large financial institutions were found to also be at risk. These firms were required to accept billions of dollars in capital from the Treasury and were provided hundreds of billions in loans from the Federal Reserve.

    In spite of the public assistance required to sustain the industry, little has changed on Wall Street. Two years later, the largest firms are again operating with bonus and compensation schemes that reflect success, not the reality of recent failures. Contrast this with the hundreds of smaller banks and businesses that failed and the millions of people who lost their jobs during the Wall Street-fueled recession.

    There is an old saying: lend a business $1,000 and you own it; lend it $1 million and it owns you. This latest crisis confirms that the economic influence of the largest financial institutions is so great that their chief executives cannot manage them, nor can their regulators provide adequate oversight.

    Last summer, Congress passed a law to reform our financial system. It offers the promise that in the future there will be no taxpayer-financed bailouts of investors or creditors. However, after this round of bailouts, the five largest financial institutions are 20 percent larger than they were before the crisis. They control $8.6 trillion in financial assets — the equivalent of nearly 60 percent of gross domestic product. Like it or not, these firms remain too big to fail.

    How is it possible that post-crisis legislation leaves large financial institutions still in control of our country’s economic destiny? One answer is that they have even greater political influence than they had before the crisis. During the past decade, the four largest financial firms spent tens of millions of dollars on lobbying. A member of Congress from the Midwest reluctantly confirmed for me that any candidate who runs for national office must go to New York City, home of the big banks, to raise money.

    What can be done to remedy the situation? After the Great Depression and the passage of Glass-Steagall, the largest banks had to spin off certain risky activities, and this created smaller, safer banks. Taking similar actions today to reduce the scope and size of banks, combined with legislatively mandated debt-to-equity requirements, would restore the integrity of the financial system and enhance equity of access to credit for consumers and businesses. Studies show that most operational efficiencies are captured when financial firms are substantially smaller than the largest ones are today.

    These firms reached their present size through the subsidies they received because they were too big to fail. Therefore, diminishing their size and scope, thereby reducing or removing this subsidy and the competitive advantage it provides, would restore competitive balance to our economic system.

    To do this will require real political will. Those who control the largest banks will argue that such action would undermine financial firms’ ability to compete globally.

    I am not persuaded by this argument. History suggests that financial strength follows economic strength. A competitive, accountable and successful domestic economic system, supported by many innovative financial firms, would restore the United States’ economic strength.

    More financial firms — with none too big to fail — would mean less concentrated financial power, less concentrated risk and better access and service for American businesses and the public. Even if they were substantially smaller, the largest firms could continue to meet any global financial demand either directly or through syndication.

    Crises will always be a part of our capitalist system. But an absence of accountability and blatant inequities in treatment are why Americans remain angry. Without accountability, we cannot hope to build a national consensus around the sacrifices needed to eliminate our fiscal deficits and rebuild our economy.

    Thomas M. Hoenig is the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

    I'd go one step farther, and say that John Q. Public is paying attention now, with access to information like never before. It doesn't take an Expert to realize that the "Experts" have lost general trust and confidence, and for good reason. It's not anti-elite or anti-intellectual to have higher expectations from our "Experts" and our leaders.

    Pulling the curtain back and challenging the Wizards is a good thing. Maybe we can get out of our malaise if we get out of our denial, if we stop acting like all this theatre is working. What we're doing is not working, but it's been papered over for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggin View Post
    This is interesting - I find this surprising, since by far the more 'political' issue at the moment is inflation (and how the Fed's doing a bad job of controlling it) as opposed to employment, which they have done a terrible job of helping in the last couple of years. Also, I think it can be quite dangerous to have a single inflation target as your mandate (though actually the Fed doesn't have an official target) - it can lead to focusing on one number rather than the health of the economy. Employment is one easy measure of this, though of course they could use other ones if you'd prefer.

    I think the real challenge is that the Fed has very well-honed tools to directly control inflation through the money supply. But AFAIK there isn't as close a coupling between Fed actions and employment levels - clearly monetary policy is related to employment, but it's not a thermostat they can turn up or down. This doesn't mean they shouldn't work to develop better tools, though.

    GGT: I think most of the Fed's interventions were absolutely necessary to prevent truly catastrophic things from happening. That doesn't mean I think it's a good thing; many of these interventions led to unprecedented situations that will have repercussions for a long time to come. This also doesn't absolve the Fed of all responsibility for the crisis - the Fed helped feed the bubbles that caused these problems, though they're by no means the only people to blame.

    I think the problem is that many people are angry at various aspects of our system, including the Fed, for failing to detect and prevent this crisis in the first place. It might be a bit unfair, as this is a lot clearer in hindsight, but there's definitely some reason for this anger. The problem is that then people transfer the anger to any action of the Fed, despite the fact that its crisis management since then has been pretty good (I'm not sure I'd say 'stellar', but not far from it).

    I also find it surprising that you are so focused on anger at the Fed that you'll say their 'fixes' only helped the financial industry. That's patently false from a number of perspectives, but the most important one is that John Q. Public would be a lot worse off if the financial industry hadn't been saved. Not only that, but Fed actions invariably directly affect the financial industry more so than other industries, and much more so than individuals - that's just how monetary policy works. If you want more personal effects, you'll have to turn to fiscal policy for tax breaks and benefits and the like.
    Indeed, there is no single number. But I do think a stable currency underlies a lot of "other numbers" that are important. I would rather have the Fed focus on keeping our currency stable (and by extension, our borrowing power) and unofficially focusing on other metrics. The alternative is what we have now, where they are forced to think about inflation and employment and bullied by politicians if they don't magically fix both of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Indeed, there is no single number. But I do think a stable currency underlies a lot of "other numbers" that are important. I would rather have the Fed focus on keeping our currency stable (and by extension, our borrowing power) and unofficially focusing on other metrics. The alternative is what we have now, where they are forced to think about inflation and employment and bullied by politicians if they don't magically fix both of them.
    Interesting what you want is a US Bundesbank
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    When I sober up and finish work today I'm going to look up what that is.

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    Clearly, we were mugged, robbed. These thieves should be prosecuted and punished, but we know the big guys and fat cats can buy the best lawyers, too.



    [....]Not that we should expect to receive any thank-you notes from these institutions for rescuing them from themselves.

    Still, it’s good to know who got what at the bailout banquet. This helps us understand how expensive it is to live in a nation where big, politically interconnected financial institutions are not allowed to fail — even after they mess up in the most catastrophic of ways.

    [....]Federal officials have always argued that plowing money into errant banks and trading shops was the best way to rescue the economy, but to Edward J. Kane, professor of economics at Boston College, details of the Fed’s largess are reminiscent of a famous Winston Churchill quotation.

    “Never have so few owed so much to so many, and given them so small a return,” Mr. Kane said. “We see, for example, how little these institutions have given back to troubled homeowners whose houses are threatened with foreclosure.”

    Mr. Kane’s point is important. Certainly, the low interest rates the Fed charged to institutional borrowers during the disaster translate into a significant subsidy, indeed a gift, to many of the firms that set the financial collapse in motion.

    But the Fed is silent on how big that subsidy actually was.

    Estimating its size will be the subject of much work in the coming months and years. For now, here’s a quick and dirty estimate of how much the Fed subsidized borrowers in just one program — the Primary Dealer Credit Facility — for just two weeks in September 2008.

    From Sept. 15 through the end of that month, borrowings averaged around $100 billion a day. The interest rate charged on those loans was 2.25 percent.

    Given that markets were frozen at that time, and given the dubious quality of some of the collateral posted to the Fed to back the loans, an interest rate of 10 percent would be a reasonable benchmark for measuring the size of this subsidy.

    On the one hand, Citigroup, Barclays, Morgan Stanley, Goldman and the others paid roughly $75 million in interest over that September fortnight. Had the Fed charged 10 percent, the firms would have paid about $325 million. For just those firms, over only that period, that’s a $250 million subsidy.

    “The justification was, this was to prevent the markets from exploding and the economy from being ruined,” Mr. Kane said. “They always explain their actions against doing nothing: ‘If we had done nothing, this would have been a terrible mess.’”

    But the Fed has never identified any alternative approaches it might have taken other than the one it chose: simply hurling huge snowballs of cash at Wall Street.

    One could argue that the size of the subsidy provided by the Fed to financial institutions during the crisis was a direct result of the fact that the government simply had no plan in place for resolving failing institutions.

    “I see this as somewhat of a measure of the panic in which the Fed was operating,” Mr. Kane said. “The way I see it, they were mugged. And through them, the taxpayer was mugged.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/bu...l?ref=business

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    There is no "reasonable estimate" for what interest rates might have been on those loans otherwise, because in that "otherwise" world, they would not have been made at all, and the banks would have collapsed. The comparison is invalid. You can try to estimate an interest rate those institutions would have been willing to pay for that money, and count the difference as a lost opportunity, but that's about as far as you can go in making such a comparison.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Her point is that the Fed and Treasury made no real demands from the recipients. During the crisis the only ones who got loans with conditions or claw-backs were the auto companies.

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    Holy crap! We can't even print money properly.

    Printing Money to Burn
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Her point is that the Fed and Treasury made no real demands from the recipients. During the crisis the only ones who got loans with conditions or claw-backs were the auto companies.
    Our return is that we avoided a total financial collapse. That was our ultimate goal, yes? The rest is fiddly bits about which people can argue points of minutia until the cows come home, all with at least some validity *and all with the marvelous benefit of 20/20 hindsight, tinted just so to fit each arguer's prejudices*
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Our return is that we avoided a total financial collapse. That was our ultimate goal, yes? The rest is fiddly bits about which people can argue points of minutia until the cows come home, all with at least some validity *and all with the marvelous benefit of 20/20 hindsight, tinted just so to fit each arguer's prejudices*
    Financial collapse... pfft. Those who made bad bets would have gone under. Sure there would have been more short term pain but long term it would have been healthier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Our return is that we avoided a total financial collapse. That was our ultimate goal, yes? The rest is fiddly bits about which people can argue points of minutia until the cows come home, all with at least some validity *and all with the marvelous benefit of 20/20 hindsight, tinted just so to fit each arguer's prejudices*
    There is a legitimate point, however, that "too big to fail" MUST NOT be in our lexicon wrt banks. No?

    Another legitimate point is that lending and trading should not happen in the same company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    There is a legitimate point, however, that "too big to fail" MUST NOT be in our lexicon wrt banks. No?

    Another legitimate point is that lending and trading should not happen in the same company.
    I'd go even further and outlaw insurance against bad trades. Taxpayers are picking up the tab for AIG policies which apparently hides some aspects of the bailouts to banks. Just ask Dread; he still seems to think the banks are actually paying off their bailouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    There is a legitimate point, however, that "too big to fail" MUST NOT be in our lexicon wrt banks. No?

    Another legitimate point is that lending and trading should not happen in the same company.
    I'm certain all sides are absolutely dripping with legitimate points, Tear. "Too big to fail" should not be part of our lexicon. Wanting to avoid "to big to fail" policies can't be allowed to keep the government from stepping in to stop an imminent structural collapse. And so on and so forth. No lending and trading. Some lending basically is trading. It should be allowed. It shouldn't. Walls, Chinese walls, .2 percent changes in some obscure but suddenly critically important interest rate. . . minutia and fiddly bits, which most posters bringing them up don't understand anyway.
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    So, what you seem to be saying is that we should'nt expect too much from Capitalism but we should keep propping it up because it's all we have. Talk about a doomsayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    So, what you seem to be saying is that we should'nt expect too much from Capitalism but we should keep propping it up because it's all we have. Talk about a doomsayer.
    Nothing I said can, in the least, be construed the way you're alleging. Which leaves me completely unsurprised that you're trying to goad conversation into a direction more to your liking by suggesting otherwise. Go find someone else to "play" with, I'm not interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Our return is that we avoided a total financial collapse. That was our ultimate goal, yes? The rest is fiddly bits about which people can argue points of minutia until the cows come home, all with at least some validity *and all with the marvelous benefit of 20/20 hindsight, tinted just so to fit each arguer's prejudices*
    The initial TARP and TALF helped avoid a total collapse, sure. I wouldn't call the rest 'fiddly bits', though. They're continuing to hurl huge snowballs of cash at Wall Street, buying bad assets and bonds, printing money....without any rules or limits on the big players to avoid this happening again. FinReg didn't do a damn thing. Monetary policy alone can't fix the economy. That's not a point of minutia at all.

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    The Federal Reserve has a story and is sticking to it: We didn’t lose taxpayer money, and we won’t.

    But several emergency programs and credit lines still exist, and the path to profitability on them remains uncertain.

    Hedge funds, pension funds and other investors have some $25 billion in outstanding loans from the Fed, some backed by subprime consumer debt. The central bank’s books are stocked with $66 billion of securities related to Bear Stearns and the American International Group, and the troubled insurer also owes $20 billion on a Fed credit line.

    “You certainly can envision scenarios where all that money isn’t coming back,” said Dean Baker, an economist who leads the Center for Economic and Policy Research, based in Washington.

    As the financial crisis has receded, the Fed has been quick to point out that it hasn’t lost money on its efforts.

    “We took an enormous amount of risk with the people’s money,” Richard W. Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, said in a recent speech. But “we didn’t lose a dime, and in fact we made money on every one of them.”

    Time will tell on what remains.

    One of the Fed’s crucial lending programs, the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, or TALF, does not expire until 2015. The program provided cheap financing to hedge funds, mutual funds and other big investors as part of an effort to jump-start consumer lending. So far, investors have repaid about two-thirds of their loans early, and along the way, the Fed has turned a profit from interest and fees.

    But another $25 billion remains outstanding, according to the Fed’s weekly statistical release.

    While borrowers have pledged plenty of collateral, some of those securities look better than others. As DealBook wrote on Friday, at least $2.5 billion of the collateral is backed by subprime credit card debt issued by Citigroup and GE Capital. Citigroup has lost billions on its credit card business, and it is trying to offload the subprime portfolio.

    The Fed is also on the hook for costs related to JPMorgan Chase’s buyout of Bear Stearns in March 2008. To help facilitate the deal, the central bank agreed to buy $29 billion of Bear’s mortgage-related securities through a vehicle named Maiden Lane. After selling some assets, the portfolio, which includes commercial real estate loans for airports and hotels, now amounts to $27.5 billion.

    The Fed created Maiden Lane II and III to purchase many of the troubled investments that A.I.G. insured. Many have considered the two vehicles, which allowed Goldman Sachs and big European banks to offload bad assets, a trash receptacle for the financial industry. Both entities, according to the Fed, have increased in value.

    A.I.G., meanwhile, owes the Fed about $20 billion on a credit line. To pay off the loan, the insurer plans to sell assets and tap into a lending facility from the Treasury.

    The Fed remains confident that its programs will pay off — or at least remain in the black.

    “The Federal Reserve followed sound risk-management practices in administering all of these programs, incurred no credit losses on programs that have been wound down, and expects to incur no credit losses on the few remaining programs,” the central bank said in the statement last week.

    What if the Fed ends up out a few bucks?

    Some say it would be the necessary price to have avoided disaster.

    “The Fed did get involved in unprecedented activities and did expose taxpayers to some risk, but the benefit was huge,” said Frederic Mishkin, the Alfred Lerner professor of banking and financial institutions at Columbia Business School. “The Fed helped avert a possible second Great Depression.”

    I like how they spin this. The Fed saved us from Great Depression v 2.0!

    Where the hell were they when all this crap was building, bubbling, becoming intertwined globally, creating conditions for systemic collapse? Where were they when all the 'financial innovation' was growing like a cancer and metastasizing? Proclaiming the economy is going great, look at our GDP! Right, Greenspan found a fundamental flaw in the theory that markets will take care of themselves, and not jeopardize their own profits.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Financial collapse... pfft. Those who made bad bets would have gone under. Sure there would have been more short term pain but long term it would have been healthier.
    Wait, you're still denying how bad the banks were? You believed they were 'just fine' and the systemic domino effect was a fake-out? Their disclosures didn't wake you up?



    Banks to taxpayers: Get over it

    Commentary: Moral hazard is the payoff of Fed’s emergency lending
    By David Weidner, MarketWatch


    NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — In the throes of an investor panic in the fall of 2008, U.S. financial institutions stuck to their story: We’re fine, trust us.

    Last week, more than two years later, the Federal Reserve unveiled how those same financial institutions tapped emergency lending programs to survive. The final tally — $3.3 trillion in loans — exceeded even the most skeptical analyst expectations.

    The Fed had been hesitant to release the data for fear it could rattle the markets. But the markets actually rose on Wednesday, the day of the release. I have a theory why, which we’ll get into later.

    The disclosure tells us a lot about how dire the situation was in the darkest days of the credit crisis, but it also tells us some important things about today’s banking landscape: It’s fragile, it’s built on faith — and a lot of extraordinary backing.

    The phrase “zombie” banks comes to mind when the numbers are laid bare: Morgan Stanley borrowed $61 billion in one overnight loan. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. hit up the Fed 81 times for a combined $600 billion. Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp. borrowed a combined $2.6 trillion under the Fed’s primary dealer facility.

    Even J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. used the central bank’s term auction facility seven times.

    Oh, and the banks’ way of saying thanks for all of this: Get over it.

    $1.9 trillion for Morgan Stanley

    Most banking institutions aren’t only downplaying the drastic measures they took to keep the doors open day to day by suggesting it’s all ancient history. They’re arguing that what happened then has no bearing on what’s happening now.

    In other words, just because they were hiding their wounds then, doesn’t mean they’re hiding anything now.

    Well, consider that in the fourth quarter of 2008 Goldman reported a loss of $2.12 billion. During that period, the bank borrowed $589 billion from the Fed in overnight loans. Yet, look at the press release announcing the fourth-quarter and annual results. Goldman makes no mention of its desperate borrowing. Instead it touts the fact it was profitable for the year. That loss? Well, it was just a tough quarter. See Goldman’s fourth-quarter 2008 earnings release (pdf).

    And when Morgan Stanley’s John Mack was arguing in September 2008 that his firm had more than $100 billion in assets to ride out a potential run on the investment bank, he didn’t mention that the bank was borrowing tens of billions from the Fed each night, ultimately tapping the central bank for more than $1.9 trillion, including the brokerage’s foreign units. See story on Mack statements.

    Today, the banks are giving us more positive statements. On Monday, B. of A. announced it has nearly met all of the obligations to exit the government’s bank bailout program. Nineteen banks, including J.P. Morgan, will undergo another stress test so they can pay out more dividends to shareholders. Read related commentary on stress-tests and dividends. See story on B. of A. bailout.

    The lesson: disclosure

    If’s difficult to tell if the banks’ swagger today is justified. Many have raised capital requirements, and in the case of brokerages such as Morgan Stanley and Goldman, we’ve been told risk is diminishing and proprietary trading desks are being reined in or sold off.

    Moreover, the Fed’s disclosure covers only the emergency programs it launched as the credit markets froze. It doesn’t cover today’s lending. We’re told leverage is falling at these banks, but the Fed’s lending rates are still near zero. Cash is cheap.

    If there’s a lesson to be learned from the Fed’s bombshell, it’s that a lack of disclosure usually means there’s something to hide. In this case, we found out Barclays PLC and UBS AG also borrowed, a disclosure that irked Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont Independent, who called the aid “astounding,” and bristled at the notion banks weren’t asked by the Fed to rebuild the economy.

    “How many Americans could have remained in their homes,” asked Sanders, in The Progressive. “if the Fed required these bailed-out banks to reduce mortgage payments as a condition of receiving these secret loans?” Read Sanders’ comments on Fed aid.

    It would have been a better question had it been asked at the time. Unfortunately that gravy train has long since left the station.

    The only reason the Fed even released the information was because Sanders inserted language into the Dodd-Frank bill that required the Fed to come clean. And now it’s pretty clear Fed officials were reluctant about going public.

    So, back to that earlier question about why the markets didn’t flinch. Two reasons: first, it was just too late. The program shut down in early 2009. The market has been rallying. Emergency lending? Ancient history. Second, I think the numbers were so eye-popping they just didn’t sound real. It’s one thing to rattle the markets, but another to go shock and awe.

    That’s too bad, because if anything, the disclosure underscores how easily the banks can talk as if there’s a little rain and wind as the hurricane crashes ashore.

    “We’re fine, trust us,” just isn’t good enough anymore.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/min...-06?link=kiosk

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