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    So, what do you think of the Neutron Bomb? The article below talks a bit about its effects, how it would be used, and so on. Some of my own thoughts:

    #1. It would make nuclear war fairly tolerable, so long as the bomb's use stayed tactical. (As if...)

    #2. It figures Reagan ordered them built.

    #3. Thank god they'd been scrapped by the time the Neo-Cons took power. I think. They would have been mighty useful me-thinks in Tora Bora and elsewhere.

    Neutron Bomb Inventor Dies at 89
    By ROBERT D. McFADDEN

    Published: December 1, 2010
    Samuel T. Cohen, the physicist who invented the small tactical nuclear weapon known as the neutron bomb, a controversial device designed to kill enemy troops with subatomic particles but leave battlefields and cities relatively intact, died on Sunday at his home in Los Angeles. He was 89.

    The cause was complications of stomach cancer, his son Paul said.

    Unlike J. Robert Oppenheimer and Edward Teller, the respective fathers of the atomic and hydrogen bombs, Mr. Cohen was not well known outside government and scientific circles, although his work for years influenced the international debate over the deployment and potential uses of nuclear arms.

    In contrast to strategic warheads, which can kill millions and level cities, and smaller short-range tactical nuclear arms designed to wipe out battlefield forces, the neutron bomb minimized blast and heat. Instead, it maximized a barrage of infinitesimal neutrons that zipped through tanks, buildings and other structures and killed people, usually by destroying the central nervous system, and all other life forms.

    While doubters questioned the usefulness, logic and ethics of killing people and sparing property, Mr. Cohen called his bomb a “sane” and “moral” weapon that could limit death, destruction and radioactive contamination, targeting combatants while leaving civilians and towns unscathed. He insisted that many critics misunderstood or purposely misrepresented his ideas for political, economic or mercenary reasons.

    A specialist in the radiological effects of nuclear weapons, he relentlessly promoted the neutron bomb for much of his life, writing books and articles, conferring with presidents and cabinet officials, taking his case to Congressional committees, scientific bodies and international forums. He won many converts, but ultimately failed to persuade the United States to integrate the device into its tactical nuclear arsenal.

    The Reagan administration developed but never deployed the weapons in the 1980s. France, Israel and the Soviet Union were believed to have added versions of the bomb to their arsenals. Western military planners rejected their use in the Vietnam War and regarded them only as a possible deterrent to superior Soviet tank forces in Europe. But the end of the cold war obviated even that purpose.

    A graduate of the University of California at Los Angeles, Mr. Cohen was recruited while in the Army in World War II for the Manhattan Project, which developed the first atomic bomb at Los Alamos, N.M. After the war, he joined the RAND Corporation and in 1958 designed the neutron bomb as a way to target a cluster of enemy forces while sparing infrastructure and distant civilian populations.

    Fired via a missile or an artillery shell and detonated a quarter-mile above ground, his bomb limited death to an area less than a mile across, avoiding wider indiscriminate slaughter and destruction. It was not a radioactively “clean” bomb, but its neutrons dissipated quickly, leaving no long-term contamination that could render entire regions uninhabitable for decades.

    But many military planners scoffed at the idea of a nuclear bomb that limited killing and destruction, and insisted that deployment would escalate the arms race and make nuclear war more likely. The device was anathema to defense contractors and armed services with vested interests in nuclear arsenals. Even peace activists denounced it as “a capitalist weapon” because it killed people but spared the real estate.

    Washington rejected the bomb repeatedly. The Kennedy administration said it might jeopardize a test-ban moratorium. The Johnson administration said its use in Vietnam might raise the specter of Hiroshima — Asians again slaughtered by American nuclear bombs — drawing worldwide condemnation. In 1978, President Jimmy Carter said development might impede disarmament prospects.

    In 1981, President Ronald Reagan ordered 700 neutron warheads built to oppose Soviet tank forces in Europe. He called it “the first weapon that’s come along in a long time that could easily and economically alter the balance of power.” But deployment to the North Atlantic alliance was canceled after a storm of antinuclear protests across Europe. President George H. W. Bush ordered the stockpile scrapped.

    By 1982, Mr. Cohen had abandoned his deployment quest. But he continued for the rest of his life to defend the bomb as practical and humane.

    “It’s the most sane and moral weapon ever devised,” he said in a telephone interview for this obituary in September. “It’s the only nuclear weapon in history that makes sense in waging war. When the war is over, the world is still intact.”
    Page 2 here if you're intersted. He has an interesting list of titles he's written....

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/02/us...1&pagewanted=2
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    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

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    Would one kill guys hiding in caves?

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    I'm not sure how deep neutron radiation would penetrate. It would pass through tank armor, which has got to be denser than rock, though obviously not as thick.... Who would know? Wiki? Fuzzy? This is post Nazi Germany so Nessie won't have looked at it....
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

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    So long as Leonard Cohen didn't die....
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    He's been dead for years.
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    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

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    I'd think a deep cave would be okay. Can't really find the penetration depth of fast neutrons in rock, but IIRC density isn't really the issue with shielding from neutrons and thickness is (IIRC the shield of choice would be water, which isn't very dense). So a thick layer of rock should shield you properly, I'd think.
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    Depends on how deep they are and the composition of the rock shielding them. I'd give it a qualified 'maybe'.

    Also, to suggest that neutron bombs left non-organic material 'intact' is a gross misrepresentation of reality - the blast is smaller than a conventional nuclear weapon, but it's still pretty damn big. It's just that a much larger radius than the blast radius will be irradiated with neutron radiation, leading to higher casualty counts and lesser structural damage. It's also a decent antiarmor weapon - some Cold War scenarios imagined using tactical neutron bombs in the Fulda Gap in the event of a massed tank attack.

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    The naked bomb is where its at...

    ...well its where it should be at.

    But seriously does any nation actually have these Neutron bombs in their arsenal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    I'd think a deep cave would be okay. Can't really find the penetration depth of fast neutrons in rock, but IIRC density isn't really the issue with shielding from neutrons and thickness is (IIRC the shield of choice would be water, which isn't very dense). So a thick layer of rock should shield you properly, I'd think.
    You want to stop neutrons with materiel close to their atomic weight, so water's a good choice. Boron has a quirky fondness for neutrons too, but that's more detector stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by termite View Post
    But seriously does any nation actually have these Neutron bombs in their arsenal?
    To my knowledge, no. The US got rid of our last ones earlier in the decade IIRC. They're kinda expensive to maintain due to tritium's halflife, and given the controversy and the relative lack of need given the end of the Cold War, the US doesn't use them any more.

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