Germany and America

[earthJoker]

If we use America as a meter stick(...)

No, just don't, you guys don't even use meters.

is probably why germany is so much more to the right than all of the other european nations? or am i just a caustic retard for thinking that?

Enlighten me then. I'm not German, i just read a few articles and that's the vibe i seem to get from reading them.

I know nothing of England, Denmark, Holland, or Austria, can't really guesstimate with no information.

You don't know anything about other European countries, and your knowledge about Germany is from a few articles. Well I doubt that's a good foundation for such a claim as "Germany is more conservative than other European countries", which it isn't.
The rest of your question really falls apart when you don't agree with that fact.

[LittleFuzzy]

Not to mention that the British were basically expecting the place to be a massive market for their manufactured goods and source of raw material. It was an unequal relationship that every colonized entity wakes up to.

Ye-e-es, but it was at least another 50-60 years before American merchants actually tried to develop outside that framework to any significant degree.

[Knux897]

I've heard that there are some newer small facist movements in Western Germany... not sure if it's true though

[earthJoker]

I've heard there are some fascist movements in Alaska led by a strange woman.

[']['ear]

WTF? This is just a strange thread based on a fucked up opening post....

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I was reading articles about Germany and I just realized how conservative they are, at least when compared to the other European nations.

If we use America as a meter stick, then Germany is a socialistic state, but if we use for example, France. Then Germany is clearly conservative. Germany's leader, and by extension its constituents, are somewhat opposed to governmental intervention, or to the degree at which France's government intervenes. Even fiscally, they are against behemoth bailouts because the private sector loses its independence to a certain degree.

using america as a yardstick to call something socialistic is stupid, as americans in general don't have a clue about what socialistic means.
secondly: socialist and conservative are not mutually exclusive
thridly: america, since figuring out that having a social system is the civilised thing to do in order to keep society stable (the uncivilised thing to do is using repression, the worst thing to do is laissez-faire) is pretty "socialistic" too

as for your theory: it's incorrect. Germans aren't afraid of government interference, they're afraid of inflation. Especially it's evil twin: hyperinflation. This due to what happened after both world wars. And they will gladly support goverment action to prevent inflation if deemed needed.
Let's also remember that it was the germen conservative party, under bismarck, that came up with the social security system (pensions) in the first place.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Your lies are really quite offensive sometimes

don't know about nessus' second part of the statement but the first part of his statement is likely to be correct. I'm quite sure Goebbels valued freedom. His own freedom, obviously.

[']['ear]

Can't say I know much about Goebbels. But I'll add that historically lots of freedom-loving American presidents have taken us to war to keep oppressive regimes in power.

[Flixy]

don't know about nessus' second part of the statement but the first part of his statement is likely to be correct. I'm quite sure Goebbels valued freedom. His own freedom, obviously.

And that of the German people, along with their right to have lebensraum, I suppose. Freedom is a subjective thing, after all.

[']['ear]

Sure, the US exterminated native Americans while jabbering about freedom all the while. Of course, we judge by the times, and mid-1800s is not 1940.

[Enoch the Red]

Well, my knowledge of the period is quite extensive, and I would say it would take a lot of semantics to turn Goebbels into a champion of freedom. I'd be interested into how Nessus sees this.

I'm quite curious about this too. How does this parse, Nessus?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

And that of the German people, along with their right to have lebensraum, I suppose. Freedom is a subjective thing, after all.

noe, just his freedom and maybe that of his close party-buddies. It's not because many germans were willing to goose-step into the nazi-dream-future that they were free, or that goebbels cared about their freedom. There's no need to extend the reach of the statement made about goebbels love of freedom to where it doesn't belong.

[']['ear]

I'm quite curious about this too. How does this parse, Nessus?

I'm going to guess that Ness was engaging in some smart-ass sarcastic shooting from the hip, which I thought was fairly evident at the time. Certainly didn't justify this

Your lies are really quite offensive sometimes

except that it's coming from the man who brought us this constructive exchange:

oh, could you please explain why?

Because.

There's criticism, there's debate, and then there's just dicking around with people for your own entertainment or perversity, of which I interpret both of Rand's posts quoted here to be an example.

So it seems parsimonious that Nessus was speaking in a fit of sarcastic pique.

[Adamant]

ITT I see nothing much has changed.

[ar81]

I was reading articles about Germany and I just realized how conservative they are, at least when compared to the other European nations.

If we use America as a meter stick, then Germany is a socialistic state, but if we use for example, France. Then Germany is clearly conservative. Germany's leader, and by extension its constituents, are somewhat opposed to governmental intervention, or to the degree at which France's government intervenes. Even fiscally, they are against behemoth bailouts because the private sector loses its independence to a certain degree.

Germany has also emerged as one of the world's strongest economy from the international meltdown. Their fiscal condition is guuud.

Anyways, i created a marginally well-reasoned hypothesis with the information i gathered. the hypothesis being, Germany is scared of government intervention because of what happened with Hitler under his nazi regime as much america is scared of big governments because of the british monarchy.

is probably why germany is so much more to the right than all of the other european nations? or am i just a caustic retard for thinking that?

I think is makes lots of sense. Perhaps the best could be to ask a german.

Here you may find a forum where people analyze things with more depth.
I bet they might find your idea interesting.

[Omega]

I think is makes lots of sense. Perhaps the best could be to ask a german.

Here you may find a forum where people analyze things with more depth.
I bet they might find your idea interesting.

dude,

Welcome to the Personal Development for Smart People Forums

the fuck is this? are you trolling me, or just trolling?