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Thread: Is America Ripe for a Public Health Option?

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Why is it okay to force the purchase of insurance as long as it is not health insurance?
    Auto insurance is important because you are using others property to drive with said vehicle. That being said I fully support laws (like in TX) that allow folks to prove financial responsibility and not be required to buy auto insurance. And no one is required to buy home insurance. If a private entity like a bank requires that as part of a business transaction so be it, its not the government's role to interfere.

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Of course with health insurance, uninsured who still end up in the emergency room and are unable to pay their bills are quite a burden on the system.
    Which is different if there's a public option how?
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  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Which is different if there's a public option how?
    The cost is spread out across a larger segment of the population than it is now.
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  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    So rather than trying to address the actual source of this problem *again*, that being the ridiculously high price of health care, you want to shove the responsibility for paying that high price from the user at one remove to the user at two removes *again* and pretend that doing so makes any actual difference whatsoever *again*
    Not quite what the OP said. Escalating costs are a problem for everyone, but especially employers. If we had a public option, we might get rid of the employer mandate, and users would be responsible for comparison shopping. That would get providers competing, making their prices public, reducing costs.

    Loki, providers make deals with insurance companies for what they charge. The bigger the company and the larger their enrollment, the better the deal. They don't share prices because they bill at different rates. The highest prices are paid by individual policy holders, unless they can negotiate for "cash discounts". Co-pays aren't the same as deductibles---a major medical policy means paying 20% OOP, 80% paid by insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Which is different if there's a public option how?
    Is public option government owned insurance? If so, I don't really support that.

    Anyway, differences are that everybody pays premiums for it (with exceptions for the really poor I suppose), instead of a lot of people paying premiums and everybody paying taxes on top of that. Also if people have health insurance and get treated earlier it is often less expensive , plus they get less sick in the first place.

    But yeah, basically you already have a public option, just a really crap one and expensive one.
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  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    The cost is spread out across a larger segment of the population than it is now.
    Who will be paying that is not paying now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Is public option government owned insurance? If so, I don't really support that.

    But yeah, basically you already have a public option, just a really crap one and expensive one.
    Looking at GGT's OP, yes, Public Option is meant to be government-operated insurance.

    My main objection is that GGT thinks "just have the government do it" is a panacea. She seems to constantly be seeking to perform some unknowing financial slight of hand by which changing the entity directly paying for the health care means that it has ceased to be an issue. She started this thread talking about what an anchor health care is on employers, but her proposal is just to have the responsibility and bill go to the government. She can't make the connection that the government is just another middle-man. Its money is just gathered from the people under it, so those employers she wants to help? They're still paying for it, they're just paying with more taxes. The people who are presently uninsured, who have been priced out of the system? They'll still paying for those prices, they'll just be doing it through the IRS.
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  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Who will be paying that is not paying now?
    Several million who currently don't have any coverage at all, or are priced out of the insurance market.

    Looking at GGT's OP, yes, Public Option is meant to be government-operated insurance.

    My main objection is that GGT thinks "just have the government do it" is a panacea. ...snip...
    You managed to make a lot of assumptions about my post and its questions.

    If you disagree just say so, then state your preference for something else that might work. Do you have an opinion of your own, or just criticism of others?

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    The irony...

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