I really wish they'd keep this season at 10 episodes. Keeps on feeling rushed.
I really wish they'd keep this season at 10 episodes. Keeps on feeling rushed.
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It does seem to be moving much faster than previous seasons. ............................................
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Yes, but that was pretty much already confirmed with the presence of the knights of the White Guard at the tower of Joy. What Gilly did was discover the GoT-world proof of what readers/close watchers already knew.
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Even in that case daughter comes before brother right?
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Sorry, of course you're right, I had the family tree mixed up.
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It explains why Ned promised Jon to tell him who his mother was 'next time they met' i.e. after Jon's birth right had been voided by his outh as a member of the Night Watch.
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That's a good point. Is that birthright not still voided seeing that he did join the Night Watch?
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His oath only lasted until his death, and the North at least sees it as expired.
Hard to prove that death to the outside world. The North doesn't give a damn. They're content with having one of their own lead them. They're kind of like Germanic tribal chiefs. Not overly concerned with the legalities. The other "kingdoms" would be much harder to convince.
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Ultimately it doesn't matter. Whoever has the power gets to choose whatever justification fits best.
Perhaps. But if true, it makes the whole Targaryen angle obsolete.
Hope is the denial of reality
Well... dragons.
I think most of the seven kingdoms would just go with "whatever will make the frighting stop" at this point.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST... and yes... despite having a perfectly legit HBO subscription I watched the leaked episode
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Defenders.
Danny continues to foul every single scene he's in with the stench of his atrocious acting and his bullshit whining. They made an error in trying to introduce everyone in the first few minutes of the first episode, should have been spaced out better. Luke remains a little underwhelming. Matt and Jessica continue to deliver as the A-team of this cast.
I have high hopes. If nothing else, it will be better than both IF and LC.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
If Carrie-Anne Moss comes back again, I hope they can figure out something for her to do this time.
The episodes improve steadily. Even Finn Jones seems to be benefiting from being around more seasoned and less douchey actors.
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I don't think he was ever the problem, and I think Defenders proves it was the writers of his show that were the problem. The Danny Rand character is being much better served by this show than his own. Luke Cage is too, actually. The chemistry between all of these characters is everything I could have hoped for.
Still more interested in a Detective Knight series than a second Luke Cage season, but after seeing Luke and Danny together I'm even more interested in a Heroes for Hire series.
To be clear, I hadn't started watching Defenders yet when I said this, and it wasn't until later I realized nobody would be able to tell if I wrote this before or after seeing the Defenders, because it applies equally well both times.
Danny's character is better in this show than it was in the previous, but, while there is no doubt there were a lot of problems with the way his character was written in IF I don't think we can lay all the blame at the feet of the writers--who, it must be said, were either infantile themselves or held their audience in very low regard, believing the "average fans" to be
Ward, Harold and even Joy did a great job with what they were given. There was a ton of potential in Danny's unlikable and thoroughly fucked-up character that could've been used to great effect (as it was on a rare handful of occasions). Finn Jones's dumb facial expressions, clunky delivery and the ever-present aura of surly useless millennial nice guy hippie continue to mar his performance on Defenders, even though the writing and fight choreography are both better (perhaps Jones is getting more than 15-20 mins to learn the fights this time). In some scenes, the writers have to make the other characters look dumber in order to make Danny look good, but overall it's an improvement.young white men who feel misunderstood and want to punch things and then have pretty girls comfort them because they’re special and being special is very hard and no one understands.
I def. think the interaction with Luke will make Danny's character more tolerable and help him grow out of this painfully pubertal Marty Stu stage. Jones has described the show as being Danny Rand's puberty and I can accept that.
We put off the series finale for today
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
He wasn't a Marty Stu really, he was in this weird state where they kept setting things up to show him as a naive idiot, and then forgetting to do the payoff. His flaws were portrayed as actual flaws and some of the problems he faced were depicted as being his own damn fault rather than the world just not appreciating how special he was. As inconsistent as his characterization was, they were at least consistent in portraying him as a bit dim compared to everyone else. You're right that the problems with his character can't all be laid at the feet of the writers though, the director shares some of the blame too. Danny Rand wasn't the best character, but he wasn't a Marty Stu - his characters problems, IMO, were the inconsistent characterization (is he a peace-and-love hippy or is he a man-child with anger management issues?) and the lack of proper foils. Foils that he gets in Defenders with Luke Cage and JJ.
Fair enough. I appreciated those things that clearly showed him to be flawed and I could tolerate the inconsistencies, but I had greater difficulties tolerating his delivery and, above all, the way they kept pursuing the "special misunderstood angry guy" and rewarding him for that BS, shonen style
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Finished Defenders. While I wasn't a big fan of the ending and how they wrapped everything up, overall I really liked it. They got a lot of things right, and the interactions between everyone were great. I was worried before about Jessica Jones season 2, because even though I was a big fan of season 1, that first season was carried as much by Kilgrave as by Jessica, so I wasn't sure how well they'd do without him. Defenders has gone a long way towards relieving those concerns, as JJ was the best character of the bunch.
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Watched first half of Defenders. The Iron Fist is basically a hipster fantasy. He's super important. He's misunderstood. He's been fighting the Hand before it was the cool thing to do. He has an Asian girlfriend who always tells him how important he is.
Wraith, agreed on the GoT. One review pointed out how actions in the books flow naturally from the traits and preferences of each character, while season 7 has a plot point in mind and is forcing characters to head toward it.
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Part of the problem is the speed they're insisting on hurtling through the plot, certain plot points
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would make more sense if they'd developed it over a few more episodes.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
On the other hand. Why would the night king wait for a small lake to freeze over.
Why do we assume Arya abusing magic is without repercussions.
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I still don't get why they picked the 13 episode number out of their behind. They clearly can't tell the story well in 13 episodes. What would be the problem of having 10 episode seasons like before?
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I'm guessing budgetary reasons. The episodes this season have seemed to be a lot more expensive on average than previous seasons, and they probably wanted to be able to devote more of their budget to special effects and the big battle scenes where they need a whole bunch of extras.
They could have added 3 more episodes without adding any more CGI. Space out some of the CGI that was used. I wonder if the creators got bored and are ready to move on (I know they're already working on new shows).
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