You don't need a weapon to accomplish what was going to happen anyway. It's not like Bronn was going to escape.
You don't need a weapon to accomplish what was going to happen anyway. It's not like Bronn was going to escape.
Hope is the denial of reality
It was a clumsy device to remind/inform viewers that the Dorne use poison as well as skill in their fights.
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Spoiler:
Hope is the denial of reality
Problems with nudity in Game of Thrones, one artistic, one moral:
1) Actresses being pressurized into doing nude scenes they don't want to do, when those nude scenes serve no purpose but to titillate the audience. Not cool, people
2) 90% of them are filler, and serve no plot purpose. Filler. In a 10 hour show. That's trying to adapt a series that's eventually going to be seven 1000+ page books long. Seriously?
I don't agree with Loki that the sand snake scene makes their characters worse though, at least it's a tiny flash, a little smidgen of characterisation... the way the others just rolled their eyes when Tyne starts her little performance, like she does this crap all the time - poison's a man, undresses in front of him and then coerces compliments out of him in exchange for the antidote. Like, it's just this weird quirk she has.
Last edited by Steely Glint; 06-06-2015 at 09:00 PM.
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We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
That scene wouldn't be so bad if we actually had other info about the characters. Like I said, we have no reason to care about them. As things stand, Tyene is no more interesting than any of the whores on the show.
Hope is the denial of reality
The Dorne material has been poor so far, yes.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
I'm doubtful anyone is being pressured into this. It takes a certain actress to work on Game of Thrones and I'm doubtful any of them walked onto the stage hoping they don't have to undress. I'm betting its worked very clearly into their contract. I remember an interview with Lena when the show began had her already talking up her nude walk through the city. And the show reportedly spent a quarter of a million dollars to give that actress her privacy during shooting. Hell, some of the earlier naked actresses were straight up porn stars. Southpark spent 3 episodes giving GoT the Tits and Dragons nickname.Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Even if the show does deviate from the books, the story is unfinished. No one would have signed on with out considering how much this role could require before the books are finished, the show is cancelled, or GRRM finally dies.
Or I could just be reading this out of context, I'm not fully caught up on this thread.
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 06-06-2015 at 09:20 PM.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Emilia Clarke had it written into her contract that she wasn't going to any more nude scenes. I think the same thing happened with Esme Bianco. I've heard other stories from the set about actresses being unhappy with how they're treated, being made to feel like pieces of meat, etc.
Obviously, it's not all of them - I get the impression that Carice van Houten for example doesn't give a single, solitary fuck about performing nude and that's cool but the somewhat sleezy rumours from leave a bad taste in the mouth.
Also, if you could *stop posting spoilers*, that'd be awesome.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
You sure about that? Because I just googled it and mostly found rumours regarding Emilia Clarke saying that, but no actual source (aside from sources that deny it), and that she also did nudity in other projects which also makes it less likely. And Esme Bianco signed up for a part that was basically just sexposition, which is therefore something she really chose herself. Interview I just read did mention that she was concerned that (especially in Hollywood) people would think of her just as an actress who went nude, rather than for her acting qualities. Not that doing nudity itself was a problem for her.
Got a link to any of those stories?
Carice definitely doesn't care, she goes nude in almost any film she did. It's almost like her trademark.Obviously, it's not all of them - I get the impression that Carice van Houten for example doesn't give a single, solitary fuck about performing nude and that's cool but the somewhat sleezy rumours from leave a bad taste in the mouth.
Also, if you could *stop posting spoilers*, that'd be awesome.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
fuck you steely:
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
I googled "Emila Clarke nudity contract" and got an entire first page of hits, but they were all from sites with autoplaying video adverts and modal dialogues that pop up while you're trying to read asking to you sign up to their newsletter, so fuck linking to them.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Spoiler:
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Yes, but those mentioned rumours, said nothing definitive, basically copied stories from eachother, and the one linking to a source had as a source a website saying it was rumoured but not true. So yeah, I'm not convinced.
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Contract stuff like that is generally kept secret, so that's as much as you're going to get.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Anyone had a chance to check out the Wachowskis' new show, Sense8? It dropped on Netflix this week (at least stateside). I've finished four episodes, and I'm a bit conflicted. There's obviously good production quality and decent actors, and I think the basic premise has some promise. Yet I'm a bit annoyed by some bits and not sure I like others.
First, the annoying: the show is set across eight different parts of the world, five of which are not in predominantly English speaking countries. What's great about the show is that they actually got actors of the correct nationality for four of those five countries - Korean, German, Indian, and Mexican (the Kenyan they fudged with a black actor from Britain). And yet they have all of these scenes done in vernacular English with a vague accent. They've got the actors - just do it in the original language! I know that forces the audience to do a lot of subtitle reading, but I think it would be a much more believable and immersive story. I can see there being a 'fudge' reason why they did this that makes sense in the plot, but I think it's a cop out. There are a number of other annoying just-so things that made life easier for either the writers or producers but stretch the viewer's suspension of disbelief, and it annoys me.
As for the rest, I'm not sure I find the writing and storyline to be that compelling yet. There's little in the plot that excites me or surprises me, and it seems pretty formulaic. Part of this is me being familiar with the Wachowskis' previous work and themes (and my cynicism about the relatively small variety in basic stories shown on TV today), but they were promising something really revolutionary, and I'm not seeing it. Sorta like a mix of 'Cloud Atlas' with 'Touch' and maybe a bit of 'Heroes', and you've got your plot. Maybe things will get better. There have been some fun bits - I laughed out loud at the Mexican storyline a few times - but it's been generally a bit dull.
I'll probably finish the remaining 6 episodes - for the Wachowskis and J. Michael Straczynski, I can give them that much... and I need to watch something while cooking/washing dishes. But so far I'm not too impressed. Anyone else have thoughts?
Haven't seen it, but
Isn't that because (especially american) viewers simply will not watch it if it's subtitled? I mean there are dozens of examples of foreign films/series being remade in the usa, sometimes shot for shot, usually with exactly the same plot, and often the same director and/or actors.. so pretty much just to have them speak English.
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There are bits of successful television shows that have been subtitled - since I just mentioned it, Heroes comes to mind. The whole thing being subtitled would be a challenge, and I can see working in as much English into the foreign storylines as possible, but a little bit of subtitling doesn't have to scare away an audience. *shrugs* I'm sure they did it for a combination of your argument (people won't watch it) and for ease of writing/producing. But it galls.
Can you name a successful television show that has a majority sutitled? IIRC Heroes only had small bits in Japanese. I've seen bits in Spanish drop by in some series every now and then, but just small lines. The Americans featured some Russian, I think, but also not that much.
Even if you take the right language, it's never perfect - I recall that Band of Brothers actually did use Dutch actors as extras for the bits where they liberated Eindhoven - but with entirely the wrong accent for that region. But let's be honest, writing/producing isn't hampered that much by translating a bit (hardly at all, even). Pretty much one good translator for each language and you're done (if the actors are playing their own nationality anyway and are fluent). Only tricky bit might be finding extras who speak the right language fluently. But it's not uncommon at all to have multiple languages in a film or TV series - hell, often it's filmed in multiple countries here, so you're crew is already going to be multilangual.
And I doubt they generally do it due to costs/ease, when they often do a remake which is far, far more expensive and far, far less easy than simply subtitling the original. And yet they do, all the time.
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Americans hate subtitles, so our shows only have them in small part. to show the otherness of certain characters.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
I don't think they'd need the majority subtitled, maybe more like 30%. There are a few relatively recent examples of shows that featured large chunks in another language - for example, another Netflix original, Lillyhammer, which has a whole lot of Norwegian. Dig had some (not so good) Hebrew. Etc. But it's certainly uncommon.
In other cases of remakes vs. subtitles, I think there's often good reasons for doing so that have little to do with expense or even the laziness of an American audience. A lot of shows and movies that I've seen in both versions have a lot of relatively subtle cultural things that differ between them, often to very important effect. For example, Hatufim (which got remade into Homeland in the US) has an entirely different focus, largely due to differences in culture between Israel and the US. We definitely see the same even with remakes of English-language shows like House of Cards or the Office. So I think it's a bit more complex than subtitles vs. lazy Americans and higher cost.
That being said, cultural issues wouldn't account for an original US-produced show, and I doubt it has much to do with production ease - they actually did significant amounts of filming in each of the countries, so getting adequate extras/etc. wouldn't be that hard. Getting perfect fidelity is more challenging, but most people would settle for a decent approximation. Cost might have had something to do with it - I don't think writing well in a mix of languages works well with just translators - it helps if you have a writing team including several people who have a good chunk of the languages in question under their belt. But I'm sure the problems could be worked around if needed.
Maybe it was just a flow thing, or they really wanted to 'own' the writing, or they thought having it in English actually made sense for the aforementioned plot workaround. I don't know. But I'm frustrated that it might just have been them thinking an American audience is incapable of enjoying a more realistic depiction.
Watching Daredevil now. Pretty good, but could use a larger budget.
Hope is the denial of reality
It shouldn't, it doesn't have to, but it frequently does.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
We watched all of Sense8, loved it.
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I actually liked Sense8 despite its liberal agenda being repeatedly shoved in your face. Jonas (same guy from Lost) was great. And Van Dam... hahaha every scene that guy was in was awesome.
Has anyone watched Bloodline? Wondering if it's worth watching.
Hope is the denial of reality
Nope.
Nurse Jackie was surprisingly funny. Still a couple of episodes to air before it is finished.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
Liberal agenda? Ooookay...
Anyhow, started Penny Dreadful. We love it.
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Sympathetic character bashes Cheney (no other politicians bashed).
Sympathetic look at gang bangers. (The other police officers give grief to the good guy cop who helped save a black kid's life. Hard luck story shared. System set up where they can't even go to a hospital after being shot.)
Multiple characters look at drug use in a positive fashion.
Religious extremists murder someone in the streets.
Nomi's mom is not a fan of her 'transition' and is painted in an as negative light as possible.
Positive perspective of 'hacktivists.'
In any event - still a good show just mildly annoying at some of the agenda driven items. Directors and producers should focus more on entertainment and less on pushing their values on the audience. People are not that malleable, it really shows how arrogant they actually think that their movies/shows are going to 'change the world.' Crazy liberals.
Does the pacing on Sense8 improve? I watched the first episode, but found myself watching the clock waiting for it to be over. It did get interesting at the end, I just haven't been sure enough about it to move on to episode 2.
Well developing 8 different back stories requires some time. Though if you had to watch the clock it might not be for you - each character gets screen time which means you then have essentially 8 side stories as well as the overarching plot. I'd give it another episode but if it still doesn't grab you move on to something else.
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