"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I bet anyone with a weapon capable of doing big damage on the ramparts would be a great deal more effective than archers. Especially when you have enough people up there to alternate.
But I think the disastrously bad strategy was there to make a point about Aegon and Daenerys.
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People will tell you that stories are either character based or story based. Story based... stories are ones where the characters exist to drive the plot forward. Character based stories are ones where the story exists as a framework to learn about the characters. There is a third type of story, which mainly happens in visual mediums. It is the Scene Based Story, or the Cool Moment Based Story where both plot and characters both exist just because the writers want to have certain scenes, because they think it would look cool.
Game of Thrones, since it outpaced the books, has become one of those. Why does Arya wander around Bravos like an asshole at the end of season six, when she knows an assassin who could be anyone is after her? Because the show-runners wanted to have that cool parkour chase scene thing. Why does Sansa fail to tell anyone about the Knights of the Vale, for no reason want-so-ever? Because the show-runners wanted the last second rescue by cavalry charge thing. Why the confusing logistics of the expedition beyond the wall in season 7? Same. Why did they cut the scene where Bran tells Sansa and Arya what littlefinger has been up to? Because they wanted the scene where Littlefinger was offed to be a "Shocking Twist". Why the Dothraki suicide charge? Because the showrunners thought the visual with the lights of the flaming swords slowly going out would look cool. And so on.
You can find explanations for any of the above if you like, but fan-fic, it's nothing that's actually supported by what's on screen.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
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Hope is the denial of reality
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The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
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When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Spoiler:
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Spoiler:
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
is that you, cinema sins?
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Yeah tbh episode 4 was the weakest episode of the season.
I thought Ep4 was a much better episode than Ep3 - fleets of ships appearing out of nowhere and super amazing ballistas notwithstanding. This was more an episode of human storytelling than silly and unlikely battle-scenes, which you can take or leave really.
And human villainy (Cersei) is always more evocative than supernatural (the night king).
I never really felt hate for the night king. His entire presence in the story is at a remove, he's not involved, he just stands there saying nothing and looking slightly gormless when he's featured. His evil and resulting actions are inhuman because he is not human, so you just don't care, really. His demise was met with a shrug of my shoulders.
With Cersei it's different. She is human. Her evil is human. And that certainly matters.
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Really good take on the last season of GoT:
https://www.theringer.com/game-of-th...quickly-pacing
Hope is the denial of reality
I'm going to be disappointed when I use my next free trial of HBO to watch the last season, aren't I? I was really hoping they would have learned from their fuckups last season, but it sounds like they just decided to make every episode the same as the Beyond the Wall episode with the FTL dragons.
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Episode 1 does a great job of setting up the rest of the season. Episode 2 is good, but kind of repetitive. Episode 3 is mediocre, though with some good highlights. Episode 4 is kind of like 3, only with no highlights.
Hope is the denial of reality
Now *that's* what I was wanting to see.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
The second half of the episode was clearly entirely based on Martin's notes. The battle part was disturbingly inane even by the standards of this season.
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Hope is the denial of reality
Dexter Producers: Let's make the worst ending possible.
Game of Thrones Producers: Hold my beer.
What. The. Fuck. Even the little shit like Jaime saying "I never really cared about those people" oh yeah that's why you hunted down the pyro fucks and earned your title of King Slayer. Continuity... fucking get some.
I was hoping for some wholesale dragon slaughter, and got it. Just sayin'.
It does occur to me...
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The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
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"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Certainly the outcome was foreshadowed, especially in the last few seasons, but all that time - too much show time - fooling around freeing the slaves, learning to govern, etc etc. Maybe it's because the pace of the show shifted so radically in the last two seasons, it just seems like wasted time.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
I think the issue is that the episode highlights really poor character development. The crazy woman on a rampage is so cliche and overused. It's lazy writing, there is so much they could have used to get to the same result, they just had to dig deeper.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
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This is savage.
Anyway,
If you think about it, right, the episode carries a rich layer of allegory.
Daenerys and Drogon = D&D
King's Landing represents GRRM's story.
The civilian population of King's Landing is people who like Game of Thrones.
Honestly, this could have worked if D&D weren't so determined to rush through to the end and their aggressive indifferent towards the How or Why of anything that happens on their show. As Loki said, this is probably based on GRRM's ending.
But just because something has been foreshadowed doesn't mean you don't have to do the work of getting their characters to where they need to be in an organic and believable manner, but the show-runners have decided they're too much of an auteur to have to bother with that stuff.
Like, if you just looked at the outline for season 7 and 8, there would be nothing wrong with it, but the execution has been so bad it almost verges on the contemptuous.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Looks like the showrunners got bored of the show the same way Martin got bored of the book series. Only difference is the former had HBO breathing down their necks, which forced them to finish the show, even if it meant taking a nap while the CGI crew got 99% of the budget and emphasis. They could have used 10 episodes/season, which worked well for the first 6 seasons. Instead, they did the bare minimum. And now they have a Star Wars trilogy to produce.
Hope is the denial of reality
As I've heard it, HBO offered to give them full 10 episode orders for this season and last. HBO also offered the two D's a contract that would have given them up to season 10. The show runners just wanted to be done with it, and didn't want to let somebody who cared finish the series for them, so this is what we got instead.
Still haven't seen it myself - what's the verdict? Worth blowing my next free trial of HBO on, or should I just skip it to preserve my memories of the first six seasons?