Human Trafficking
No poll, no opening article or policy to debate.
Just an open-ended two word title, open for comment and discussion.
UPDATE:
Adults and children in forced labor, bonded labor, commercial sexual servitude; legal immigration and visa status, illegal border crossers and workers; international adoptions without documentation....
How do you define Human Trafficking, and who is responsible for protection/prevention/prosecution of modern-day slavery?
Last edited by GGT; 02-04-2010 at 12:19 PM. Reason: per suggestion
Does this topic include H-1B workers in the U.S. ?
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
There's a government office set up to combat severe forms of trafficking in persons. But it doesn't specify what severe is.
Office To Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
It includes whatever posters want to include. But visa status.......really?
It is, in a broad sense, slave labor.Originally Posted by GGT
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
That's pretty broad. I thought most trafficking used fake ID for desperate people.
Well, from the link I provided above, their definition is itself very broad and I don't see how it excludes H-1B. Maybe you can point it out for me?
If you knew something contributed to hundreds of thousands of people being trapped in slavery, you would do everything in your power to stop it.
Government should act no differently, which is why the State Department and many other U.S. agencies are in the fight to end trafficking in persons.
Annually, according to U.S. Government-sponsored research completed in 2006, approximately 800,000 people are trafficked across national borders into slavery; this number does not include millions trafficked within their own countries. Some estimate the global number of trafficking victims to be in the millions--in domestic servitude, sex slavery, forced labor, child soldiers, child camel jockeys, and other brutal schemes.
Because trafficking deprives people of freedom in every part of the world, it is a grave threat to human rights. It also threatens public health and the very safety and security of nations, as disease and organized crime flourish through trafficking.
The Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons is on a mission to eradicate modern-day slavery, and, on this Web site, we invite you to learn about our approach of victim protection, prosecution of traffickers and prevention of trafficking. You can find information about programs the U.S. funds to help victims and improve law enforcement efforts worldwide, learn what you can do, and, of course, read our annual report on the actions countries are taking to combat trafficking in persons. This work, and cooperation around the world, is vital.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
That doesn't exclude visas, but it also doesn't address the whole problem. There are probably millions of people that are stuck within their own borders, or trafficked across borders, without any ID at all. Or fake ID.
Even the page dedicated to defining it doesn't define it well enough to exclude slavery by visa.
Trafficking Victims
In fact, the bolded part seems to include H-1B.A wide range of estimates exists on the scope and magnitude of modern-day slavery. The International Labor Organization (ILO)—the United Nations agency charged with addressing labor standards, employment, and social protection issues—estimates that there are at least 12.3 million adults and children in forced labor, bonded labor, and commercial sexual servitude at any given time.
Of these victims, the ILO estimates that at least 1.39 million are victims of commercial sexual servitude, both transnational and within countries. According to the ILO, 56 percent of all forced labor victims are women and girls. Human traffickers prey on the weak. Targeting vulnerable men, women, and children, they use creative and ruthless ploys designed to trick, coerce, and win the confidence of potential victims. Very often these ruses involve promises of a better life through employment, educational opportunities, or marriage.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
All the little children. Where are all the grown ups?
What?
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
If the grown ups (the adults) treated all children as their own, women and men as their mothers or fathers, or sisters and brothers, and not some disconnected "thing", we might make more humanitarian progress.
People are too busy ensuring their own survival for this to happen any time soon, if ever.
The worst job in the world is better than being broke and homeless
Bullshit. People are too busy putting popcorn in the microwave before they settle down to watch a movie, and flushing their own shit down the magic disappearing toilet. That's not survival.
OMG! You are socialist. Welcome aboard.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
SSSSSocialist, they say over here, like it's the devil's snake.
I'm really just a frustrated humanist living in a capitalist society, trying to make the best of both worlds.
Fashion a snake into its coil and it makes a circle. Alpha and Omega. We are all connected.
Apparently it is in America. We aren't obese for nothing.
The worst job in the world is better than being broke and homeless
It's really sad the number of powerless people who believe capitalism will embrace them. Look at all the 401K and 529 accounts out there suffering the dream.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Agreed.It's really sad the number of powerless people who believe capitalism will embrace them. Look at all the 401K and 529 accounts out there suffering the dream.
Last edited by GGT; 01-30-2010 at 09:47 AM. Reason: There you go Hazir!
Why start a thread if you don't know what you actually want to talk about ? And what happened to paragraphs.
Congratulations America
Well excuuuuuse me! I started a thread on human trafficking, to see what others felt was important. Something happened along the way to the forum, and I had one of those stream of conscious moments. Please stand by while I correct this transmission problem.
It's about H-1B visas being used to enslave foreign workers at low wages.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...lems-in-haiti/Ten American Baptists sit in a Haitian jail on Monday, accused of child trafficking for what they say was a hastily conceived attempt to rescue orphans by quickly removing them from Haiti — before getting official permission or even checking to determine that the children really were orphans. In Haiti and on the Web, the arrests have led to fresh accusations that some religious groups may be guilty of a kind of spiritual trafficking, by mixing the help they offer to victims of last month’s earthquake with proselytizing.
No one's gonna jump on this development? Maybe I should have put this in one of the Haiti threads instead....
What can I say? Those people probably meant well, and felt that they did good bringing these kids from Heathen country and force Christianity down their throat.
This is hearsay. I want to see God's order in triplicate on my desk to judge this case.The Baptists were open about the fact that they felt driven by their Christian faith. Speaking to reporters after the group’s arrest, Laura Silsby, who led the Baptist team to Haiti, described the children as “deeply in need most of all of God’s love and his compassion.” In a description of the mission posted online, the group wrote, “God has laid upon our hearts the need to go now.”
Uhm , dear Sir:a pastor involved in the effort, denounced what he called “the accusations of Satan,” made against “our team,” The Associated Press reported.
Moving on ...A representative of an Austrian charity that is now looking after the 33 children the Baptist team tried to remove from the country told CNN that an initial investigation showed that at least 10 of them are not orphans.
Complete with confession:the arrests have led to fresh accusations that some religious groups may be guilty of a kind of spiritual trafficking, by mixing the help they offer to victims of last month’s earthquake with proselytizing.
My conclusion: vulturism.a description of the Baptist group’s mission posted online said that they intended to help “each child find healing, hope, joy and new life in Christ,” as well as “opportunities for adoption into a loving Christian family.”
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
Millions of women and children are at risk of being trafficked there. I hope the officials are as quick to detain the ones whose motivation is sex slavery.
We get a choice of master.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
On my way to work today I saw a ton of human trafficking. Some where in SUV's, some in cars, a few on motorcycles. It was scary.
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Give this man a medal, people!
In one swift stroke this genius managed to turn the car of "oh look a real human tragedy taking place every single day" back over to "I R SMRT"!
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
I needed to test my AvatarHuman trafficking is horrible, of course. What're people's take the baptist church fiasco? Innocent morons or something more sinister?
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