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    Default Complexities and Failures

    Forget Too Big to Fail. Now it's all about Too Complex to Fail, Too Intertwined to Fail. With conflicts of interest and failures all around.

    For years, both Morgenson and Story have written well-researched articles about the financial industry and its crises. This is their latest installment, page one of five. An illuminating and disturbing read about the incestuous nature in our financial markets, and the glaring absence of prosecutions for the perpetrators:

    In Financial Crisis, a Dearth of Prosecutions Raises Alarms

    By GRETCHEN MORGENSON and LOUISE STORY
    Published: April 14, 2011


    It is a question asked repeatedly across America: why, in the aftermath of a financial mess that generated hundreds of billions in losses, have no high-profile participants in the disaster been prosecuted?

    Answering such a question — the equivalent of determining why a dog did not bark — is anything but simple. But a private meeting in mid-October 2008 between Timothy F. Geithner, then-president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and Andrew M. Cuomo, New York’s attorney general at the time, illustrates the complexities of pursuing legal cases in a time of panic.

    At the Fed, which oversees the nation’s largest banks, Mr. Geithner worked with the Treasury Department on a large bailout fund for the banks and led efforts to shore up the American International Group, the giant insurer. His focus: stabilizing world financial markets.

    Mr. Cuomo, as a Wall Street enforcer, had been questioning banks and rating agencies aggressively for more than a year about their roles in the growing debacle, and also looking into bonuses at A.I.G.

    Friendly since their days in the Clinton administration, the two met in Mr. Cuomo’s office in Lower Manhattan, steps from Wall Street and the New York Fed. According to three people briefed at the time about the meeting, Mr. Geithner expressed concern about the fragility of the financial system.

    His worry, according to these people, sprang from a desire to calm markets, a goal that could be complicated by a hard-charging attorney general.

    Asked whether the unusual meeting had altered his approach, a spokesman for Mr. Cuomo, now New York’s governor, said Wednesday evening that “Mr. Geithner never suggested that there be any lack of diligence or any slowdown.” Mr. Geithner, now the Treasury secretary, said through a spokesman that he had been focused on A.I.G. “to protect taxpayers.”

    Whether prosecutors and regulators have been aggressive enough in pursuing wrongdoing is likely to long be a subject of debate. All say they have done the best they could under difficult circumstances.

    But several years after the financial crisis, which was caused in large part by reckless lending and excessive risk taking by major financial institutions, no senior executives have been charged or imprisoned, and a collective government effort has not emerged. This stands in stark contrast to the failure of many savings and loan institutions in the late 1980s. In the wake of that debacle, special government task forces referred 1,100 cases to prosecutors, resulting in more than 800 bank officials going to jail. Among the best-known: Charles H. Keating Jr., of Lincoln Savings and Loan in Arizona, and David Paul, of Centrust Bank in Florida.

    Former prosecutors, lawyers, bankers and mortgage employees say that investigators and regulators ignored past lessons about how to crack financial fraud.

    As the crisis was starting to deepen in the spring of 2008, the Federal Bureau of Investigation scaled back a plan to assign more field agents to investigate mortgage fraud. That summer, the Justice Department also rejected calls to create a task force devoted to mortgage-related investigations, leaving these complex cases understaffed and poorly funded, and only much later established a more general financial crimes task force.

    Leading up to the financial crisis, many officials said in interviews, regulators failed in their crucial duty to compile the information that traditionally has helped build criminal cases. In effect, the same dynamic that helped enable the crisis — weak regulation — also made it harder to pursue fraud in its aftermath.

    A more aggressive mind-set could have spurred far more prosecutions this time, officials involved in the S.&L. cleanup said.

    “This is not some evil conspiracy of two guys sitting in a room saying we should let people create crony capitalism and steal with impunity,” said William K. Black, a professor of law at University of Missouri, Kansas City, and the federal government’s director of litigation during the savings and loan crisis. “But their policies have created an exceptional criminogenic environment. There were no criminal referrals from the regulators. No fraud working groups. No national task force. There has been no effective punishment of the elites here.”

    Even civil actions by the government have been limited. The Securities and Exchange Commission adopted a broad guideline in 2009 — distributed within the agency but never made public — to be cautious about pushing for hefty penalties from banks that had received bailout money. The agency was concerned about taxpayer money in effect being used to pay for settlements, according to four people briefed on the policy but who were not authorized to speak publicly about it.

    To be sure, Wall Street’s role in the crisis is complex, and cases related to mortgage securities are immensely technical. Criminal intent in particular is difficult to prove, and banks defend their actions with documents they say show they operated properly.

    But legal experts point to numerous questionable activities where criminal probes might have borne fruit and possibly still could.
    continued http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/bu...agewanted=1&hp

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    .......Goldman agreed last summer to pay $550 million to settle civil fraud charges by the Securities and Exchange Commission of misleading buyers of mortgage-related securities. The agreement applied to one of the four deals cited by the Senate subcommittee.

    The report culminates a two-year investigation by the panel, which examined millions of documents and interviewed scores of executives, traders and salespeople.

    It portrays "a financial snake pit rife with greed, conflicts of interest and wrongdoing," Levin said.

    The panel cited four key areas of causes of the financial crisis:

    --Risky mortgage lending as exemplified by Washington Mutual, which became the biggest U.S. bank ever to fail in September 2008.

    --The failure of regulators to clamp down on lending abuses and risky conduct at banks in the years leading up to the housing bust and financial crisis.

    --The AAA ratings given by the big credit rating agencies to high-risk subprime mortgages that later went bad and helped cause the housing bust.

    --The role of investment banks like Goldman Sachs and the finance deals they put together, which flooded the markets with risky securities.

    The report also urges federal regulators to make several changes, such as a strong ban on conflicts of interest for investment banks and other financial players. It says the financial overhaul law enacted last year in response to the crisis could help prevent future abuses.

    "At the heart of the financial crisis were unresolved, and often undisclosed, conflicts of interest," Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, the panel's top Republican. "Blame for this mess lies everywhere from federal regulators who cast a blind eye, Wall Street bankers who let greed run wild, and members of Congress who failed to provide oversight."

    Levin said the panel planned to convey findings to the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission for possible further investigation.
    Entire article @ http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Senato...64794.html?x=0


    If Goldman Sachs is still considered a "bank" or "bank-holding company" with access to cheap money from the Fed's discount window, I'd like to know why. They sound no different than AIG acting as a hedge fund with an insurance company attached, only this time around GS (the vampire squid) is a hedge fund with an investment firm attached, posing as a bank.

    Does the US really want to be a bunch of insurance companies or investment firms and hedge funds, with an attached military? Really?

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    All of this nonsense could have been avoided by letting the chips fall where they are. Good banks will survive, bad banks would not. By bailing out banks it just encourages risk taking in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    All of this nonsense could have been avoided by letting the chips fall where they are. Good banks will survive, bad banks would not. By bailing out banks it just encourages risk taking in the future.
    How charming that may sound in principle; it simply is not true. Bad banks would fall and then the good banks would fall too. In the end nothing is left standing and you can start from zero. That does work, but the price is excessive.
    Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    How charming that may sound in principle; it simply is not true. Bad banks would fall and then the good banks would fall too. In the end nothing is left standing and you can start from zero. That does work, but the price is excessive.
    The people trying to sell the bailout all said the end of the world was coming unless we did the bailout. I don't think that would have happened. Majority of the debt in the United States would still be paid. Sure several banks would collapse as would AIG but it would not be Armageddon.

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    What's your opinion about congress voting on our debt ceiling, Lewk? Do you believe GOP should block that vote on principle, no matter the consequences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    What's your opinion about congress voting on our debt ceiling, Lewk? Do you believe GOP should block that vote on principle, no matter the consequences?
    Well if they decide to block it purely on principle when they already voted for a budget that would force large deficits that would be hypocritical. However if they use it as a bargaining chip to eek out more cuts in the ridiculously bloated budget I'm all for it.

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    Hell, this could go in any number of threads. But I suppose this an in-your-face post just for Lewk. Especially since he blamed Crist for Florida's insurance problems.

    MINERAL WELLS, Texas — Wildfires across Texas have burned more than 1 million acres of land throughout the state and 11 new fires began Wednesday, NBC News reported.
    Dry conditions over the past several months, high winds and temperatures in the 90s are fueling the blazes, which have burned since Friday and destroyed a total area roughly the size of Rhode Island, NBC said.

    Thirty-four states have sent firefighters to Texas to help douse the flames.

    So far this year, Texas has spent an estimated $70 million on fighting wildfires, Gov. Rick Perry stated in the disaster declaration he sent to President Barack Obama, KTXS.com reported.
    The Texas Forest Service said active fires like the recent spell cost as much as $2 million per day, the TV station reported.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42677600/ns/weather/

    Maybe Texas can do without the rest of the us, eh? Why should the rest of the nation bail your state out, and what's Perry doing appealing to teh evil federal gummint for disaster funds? Can't y'all just rely on those private insurance "risk assessments"? Is Texas ready to secede from the union yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Hell, this could go in any number of threads. But I suppose this an in-your-face post just for Lewk. Especially since he blamed Crist for Florida's insurance problems.



    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42677600/ns/weather/

    Maybe Texas can do without the rest of the us, eh? Why should the rest of the nation bail your state out, and what's Perry doing appealing to teh evil federal gummint for disaster funds? Can't y'all just rely on those private insurance "risk assessments"? Is Texas ready to secede from the union yet?
    Is Texas a moocher state (like mine) or a producer state?
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    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...7060634112.htm


    The Destruction of Economic Facts
    Renowned Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto argues that the financial crisis wasn't just about finance—it was about a staggering lack of knowledge

    By Hernando de Soto

    (page 2)

    When then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson initiated his Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) in September 2008, I assumed the objective was to restore trust in the market by identifying and weeding out the "troubled assets" held by the world's financial institutions. Three weeks later, when I asked American friends why Paulson had switched strategies and was injecting hundreds of billions of dollars into struggling financial institutions, I was told that there were so many idiosyncratic types of paper scattered around the world that no one had any clear idea of how many there were, where they were, how to value them, or who was holding the risk. These securities had slipped outside the recorded memory systems and were no longer easy to connect to the assets from which they had originally been derived. Oh, and their notional value was somewhere between $600 trillion and $700 trillion dollars, 10 times the annual production of the entire world.

    Three years later there's still plenty to be concerned about. Governments have worked to enact major financial and regulatory reforms, such as the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act ushered through Congress in 2010 by former Senator Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Representative Barney Frank (D-Mass.). Dodd-Frank has sought to move derivatives into clearinghouses where more data about them can be collected. It's a step in the right direction. But if you believe in the value of public memory and economic facts, the reforms leave a number of problems outstanding.

    (sub-topics)

    1) Mortgage Bundling.
    2) Default Swaps.
    3) Exemptions.
    4) Off-Balance-Sheet Accounting.
    5) Government Use of Swaps and Repo Markets.
    6) Rating Agencies.

    (Summary)

    If we can agree that the recession wasn't about bubbles but about the organization of knowledge, we can move on to restoring the systems that allowed the global economy to expand more in the last 60 years than in the previous 2,000.

    We are now staring at a legal and political challenge. A legal challenge because American and European governments allowed economic activity to cross the line from the rule-bound system of property rights, where facts can be established, into an anarchic legal space, where arbitrary interests can trump facts and paper swirls out of control. The rule of law is much more than a dull body of norms: It is a huge, thriving information and management system that filters and processes local data until it is transformed into facts organized in a way that allows us to infer if they hang together and make sense.

    Mainly, though, it's a political challenge. Politicians must raise the financial crisis to commanding heights, where the entrenched institutional problems of a failing order can be addressed. Markets were never intended to be anarchic: It has always been government's role to police standards, weights and measures, and records, and not condone legalized sleight of hand in the shadows of the informal economy. To understand and repair one of mankind's greatest achievements—the creation of economic facts through public memory—is the stuff of nation-builders.

    Our bubbles are related to fuzzy math, shadow markets, hazy information. Fin-reg hasn't done much to change anything; too many powerful lobbyists. Press conferences from Federal Reserve seems more like a PR move to 'calm markets'. High Frequency Trading pumping risk and price by nano-second holdings, with nothing more than circuit breakers.

    We need more information and better Regulations updated for the 21st century.


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    Wow, thanks for that, GGT. I just read the whole article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    We need more information and better Regulations updated for the 21st century.

    So long as half the nation is hell bent on returning to a bizarre pseudo-feudalism, that will never happen.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    We were discussing Goldman Sachs in another thread. I was surprised that others were surprised this late in the game.

    When following the money trail of Very Important People, Big Banks, Who's Who in government Regulation, Too Big to Fail, and piecing the massively complex puzzle together....(mostly) Hazir and I have mentioned accounting standards that aren't standardized (fuzzy math), credit-rating agencies paid by the very entities they rate, conflicts of interest that harm citizens with private profits/public losses, manipulations from the top down.

    I've mentioned the US Comptroller of Currency plenty of times, but not much discussion came from it. It's one of those powerful groups hardly mentioned and rarely questioned. Acting as an Invisible Hand, but hiding in plain sight. I can't recall congress or any financial/banking committee asking OCC to testify or explain what happened under their "watch". Can you?


    Here's a pretty good article on the topic of their "fingers". Found embedded in another article at NYT titled "When Regulators Side With the Industries They Regulate"
    ( http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20.../?ref=business )



    Why Republicans Hate Warren's CFPB But Love Another Bank Regulator

    Stepping up their attacks on Elizabeth Warren and the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau this week, House Republicans painted a picture of an all-powerful agency -- Financial Services Chairman Spencer Bachus called it "the most powerful agency that's ever been created in Washington"-- whose director will rule the banking industry by fiat, be accountable to no one, and even determine her own budget.

    Many have already pointed out how factually untrue these claims are (here, here, and here). What's also striking about them is how accurately they describe another financial regulator, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC is the nation's top dog in charge of overseeing banks. Its powers are vastly broader than those of the CFPB and subject to far less oversight. Yet the OCC is well-liked by many of these very same Republicans, so much so that they went to bat last year to ensure that its authority would not be constrained in the slightest by the Dodd-Frank Act.

    The difference between the two agencies is that the OCC sees its mission as protecting, not consumers, but big banks. Over the last two decades, the OCC has used its powers to ensure that the nation's largest banks don't have to play by the same rules that govern small community banks, can operate outside the jurisdiction of state attorneys general, and are immune from many consumer protection laws.

    Unlike the CFPB, whose rules can be vetoed by the newly created Financial Stability Oversight Council, a panel of nine federal regulatory agencies (including the OCC), the OCC is subject to little in the way of checks and balances. It operates unilaterally and has spent much of the last two decades preempting state laws that big banks don't like, including rules on credit card disclosures, payday lending, bank fees, and more. Most disastrously, in early 2000s, the OCC overturned numerous state laws that outlawed certain risky and predatory mortgage practices.

    Throughout all of this, the OCC has been accountable to no one. When Congress reprimanded the OCC for its "inappropriately aggressive" preemption practices, the agency thumbed its nose and continued to obliterate state laws. When states sought relief through the courts, they ran headlong into a precedent that forces judges to defer to the opinions of the OCC. Nor has there been any accountability to citizens. Between 1995 and 2007, the OCC brought just 13 enforcement actions against banks for consumer protection violations. Even now, consumers in throes of the mortgage foreclosure debacle report that the OCC does not respond to their calls.

    As with other major financial regulatory agencies, neither the CFPB's budget nor the OCC's are subject to the Congressional appropriations process. What does distinguish the two agencies' budgets is where the money comes from. The CFPB's expenses will be paid through a transfer from the Federal Reserve (with its budget capped and subject to annual GAO audits and reports to Congress), while the OCC derives almost all of its funding directly from the very banks it regulates. The largest 20 banks contribute two-thirds of the agency's revenue.

    What makes this set-up problematic is that banks can choose either a state or national charter. By giving nationally chartered banks a green-light to ignore state laws, the OCC has made its charter highly desirable and, indeed, its budget has soared as more banks have switched to a national charter. In other words, preempting consumer protections and running roughshod over state authority has profited both banks and the OCC itself.

    All of this goes to show that what's really at issue in the fight over the CFPB is not how the agency is structured or how much power it will have, but whose interests it serves. As Bachus himself put it recently, "In Washington, the view is that the banks are to be regulated, and my view is that Washington and the regulators are there to serve the banks."
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stacy-...b_837539.html:

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    What makes this set-up problematic is that banks can choose either a state or national charter. By giving nationally chartered banks a green-light to ignore state laws, the OCC has made its charter highly desirable and, indeed, its budget has soared as more banks have switched to a national charter. In other words, preempting consumer protections and running roughshod over state authority has profited both banks and the OCC itself.
    Or in other words, allowing consumers the choice to deal with a bank. IE it is quite possible that some banks will refuse to deal with certain states because their laws are bat shit insane. Therefore the consumer loses out on the possibility of banking with a certain bank due to state regulation. Remember a consumer can ALWAYS choose not to put their money in or take out a loan with a bank that has a national charter.

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