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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    I don't think its a widely used term, took some google digging to find the news headline the phrase came from
    http://observer.com/2012/10/new-new-...zed-sea-gates/
    Err, that article also only mentions Rotterdam

    Anyway, protecting at least densely populated areas with a lot of industry etc sounds like a good idea to me - yes, the costs are astronomical, but so is the damage caused by storms like this. Wiki claims damage to NY is at least 18 billion.. sounds like decent protections would be worth it there.
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    figures I would find the more correct article on my 2nd attempt, this is all i could find this morning before work when I first searched. http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....amsterdam.html which didn't directly mention rotterdam.

    oh well, close enough.
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  3. #93
    Right, reference to Netherlands massive civil engineering projects to control water and flooding. My guess is he used Amsterdam because it's commonly recognized by Americans (with -dam at the end) Dutch ingenuity, plus willingness to invest money in thousand-year project planning, using government funds. Sounds like SSSocialism huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Well, at a quick glance it sounds sensible to make disaster relief federal not local - the whole point of it is that a disaster is too big for local government to handle, so you use resources from the entire nation, right?
    "Resources" can mean funding (sent to states). But more importantly physical goods stationed in regional hubs. Things like generators, mobile kitchen units, MREs, porta-potties, sleeping cots, etc. Those items get ruined if they're housed in the same area as the disaster. And it isn't efficient for every town or city to stock/store/duplicate those things.

    Problem with Sandy is that it affected ~13 states, making neighboring states less able to help (as they were victims, too). FEMA has the stuff, and the workers, that can be mobilized from any region, using logistics (plane, car, truck) that can leave in-state or local responders immobile. It's supposed to start locally, with Governors making Disaster Declarations, requesting National Guard, using local responders first. Coordinating with feds and POTUS declaring National Disaster triggers the FEMA response.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    Again I can say that some Federal is good. Can you say the opposite?
    Sure, just making something private does not always make it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    My guess is he used Amsterdam because it's commonly recognized by Americans (with -dam at the end)
    Looks more like a reference to New Yorks previous name if you ask me.
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    Or because it's a former financial capital of the world that's located at/below sea level. Or because he's ripping off the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/ny...eality.html?hp
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    Were do you see Amsterdam in that article? Btw Amsterdam is not below sea level.
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    It talks about the Netherlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Or because it's a former financial capital of the world that's located at/below sea level. Or because he's ripping off the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/ny...eality.html?hp
    Pfft, Amsterdam is like two meters above sea level. That's on a mountain by our standards!

    I get the name thing though, New York used to be New Amsterdam, and Dutch, and we have good sea defenses. Amsterdam moment just is a weird thing, since Amsterdam wasn't flooded, nor part of the Delta Works, nor was it a 'moment' (it took 50 years to complete, and some plans were already there before the flood, just expanded and accelerated). Our struggle against water isn't exactly a new thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It talks about the Netherlands.
    Nobody is denying the Netherlands/Delta works analogy, it's just that Amsterdam doesn't have anything to do with it, it just happens to be in the same country, that's all.
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  11. #101
    Moving right along

    FEMA does have room for funding or operational changes, but it's in the housing area. There are still people in Gulf states living in "temporary" FEMA housing units, years after the disasters.

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    How well would anyone here rate FEMA's job performance so far?
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