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    Default Why I like Herman Cain (and why he won't be elected)

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    As the "Occupy Wall Street" protests enter their third week and spread to cities across the country, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain is expressing skepticism about the demonstrations.

    "What do they want?" Cain asked when asked about the protests in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. "I don't have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration."

    "Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks," he continued. "If you don't have a job and you are not rich, blame yourself!"

    Cain said the banks were in part to blame with the 2008 financial crisis, but he said, "We're not in 2008 -- we're in 2011!"

    The demonstrations "come across more as anti-capitalism," he added.

    The Occupy Wall Street protests,originally organized by the anti-consumerist magazine Adbusters, started on Sept. 17 with a few dozen demonstrators who tried to pitch tents in front of the New York Stock Exchange. Since then, thousands across the country have joined.

    The protesters say they demonstrating against corporate greed and the outsize influence Wall Street has in Washington. While they weren't started by pro-Obama groups, supporters of the president like labor unions are now joining the demonstrations.

    One motto that's spread through the demonstrations has been, "I'm the 99 percent" -- a reference to those who not among the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.

    While Cain dismissed the protests, he stressed in his interview with the Wall Street Journal that he's more in touch with the middle class than the GOP frontrunner, Mitt Romney. In the latest CBS News poll, Cain is tied for first place with Romney.

    Romney "has been a Wall Street executive, I have been a Main Street executive," Cain said, citing his experience in the restaurant industry. "I have been closer to the pulse and the heartbeat of medium and small businesses, operationally, more so than Mitt."

    And while Cain has been successful in business, he told the Wall Street Journal's Alan Murray, "Don't spread this perception I'm a kajillionaire."

    On Tuesday, Romney also decried the Occupy Wall Street protests. "I think it's dangerous, this class warfare," he said.

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    "Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks," he continued. "If you don't have a job and you are not rich, blame yourself!"


    This is *truth.* Too bad politicians are too cowardly to say so.

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    At least he prefaces his stupidity by being honest "I don't have facts" but lets make up some bullshit anyway for some media sound bites
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    At least he prefaces his stupidity by being honest "I don't have facts" but lets make up some bullshit anyway for some media sound bites
    He's talking about how he thinks the protests were orchestrated to help Obama. He prefaces it appropriately by saying he doesn't have evidence for it however that is the theory he has. Since he was asked a question about the protests he answered it honestly. Not seeing what issue you would have with that statement.

    That being said though I highlighted the party that impressed me.

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    Yes, of course, it's a conspiracy. Good grief. Is that really one of the best out of the bunch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    He's talking about how he thinks the protests were orchestrated to help Obama. He prefaces it appropriately by saying he doesn't have evidence for it however that is the theory he has. Since he was asked a question about the protests he answered it honestly. Not seeing what issue you would have with that statement.
    Its a political weasel statement, and I'm not at all surprised you didn't catch it.

    Its like me coming on here and claiming that I don't know much about you, but by the way you post, I've got enough evidence to preach to the media that your behavior is because you were repeatedly raped as a child, by your father, with the wrench, in the kitchen.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    At least it's prefaced, and that sets Cain worlds apart from the others... I still want Obama to be president, but Cain and Ron Paul are the two most legitimate candidates, while Romney is the most electable, but for some reason i'm not really scared if he wins the nominee. Be more scared if Ron Paul did... idk, probably grossly backwards gut feeling this.

    Cain won't be elected, which if you were watching the debates was obvious, is because he's to blunt and not pandering to the mainstream GOP talking points. (at least on many he is going his own route.) A second reason, as much as I think Cain comes of genuine, he also shows some naivete on some social and foreign issues, it feels to me. This is another reason he'd make for a better advisor than president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    "Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks," he continued. "If you don't have a job and you are not rich, blame yourself!"

    This is *truth.* Too bad politicians are too cowardly to say so.
    Who are you kidding? The GOP says that all the time, as part of their political philosophy of self-reliance, and finance as an example of capitalism.

    Cain said the banks were in part to blame with the 2008 financial crisis, but he said, "We're not in 2008 -- we're in 2011!"

    The demonstrations "come across more as anti-capitalism," he added.
    In other words, he thinks the financial crisis of 2008 is over and things are fine in finance and banking in 2011? He doesn't think legislators were acting on behalf of the financial sector (who realized huge profits and bonuses) with the bail-outs, while millions of people lost their homes? Did he sleep through the last few years where the public debate was "capitalism is for profits and socialism is for losses"?

    Wonder what he thinks of all 50 states attorneys general filing law suits against big banks predatory lending, fraudulent accounting, robo-signing, illegal foreclosures, and selling MBSs thousands of times over via Wall Street--when they can't even locate the mortgage note. Don't blame them for being rich and having a job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    At least he prefaces his stupidity by being honest "I don't have facts" but lets make up some bullshit anyway for some media sound bites
    Are we talking about Cain now, or the Destroy America's Economy Occupy Wall Street morons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Its like me coming on here
    Yeah, it is. It's a lot like what you do on here, but Cain sounds less like a rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth zealot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Cain sounds... like a rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth zealot.
    Well I'm glad we've finally established that




    This man Cain, is he the one I hear is cosying up to the anti-Muslim crowds? What does he mean with his statement about being in 2011 and not in 2008? It sounds both deeply meaningful and extremely uninformative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    This man Cain, is he the one I hear is cosying up to the anti-Muslim crowds? What does he mean with his statement about being in 2011 and not in 2008? It sounds both deeply meaningful and extremely uninformative.
    He's said no Muslim would be part of his presidential cabinet or administration, yeah.





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    At least in that one clip, he comes across as eminently reasonable, if not a bit hard-nosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    At least in that one clip, he comes across as eminently reasonable, if not a bit hard-nosed.
    I was thinking just the opposite---he sounds closed-minded and not at all interested in figuring out "What do they want?"---and like there's some vast left wing conspiracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    I was thinking just the opposite---he sounds closed-minded and not at all interested in figuring out "What do they want?"---and like there's some vast left wing conspiracy.
    inb4 the Tea Partiers are a vast right wing conspiracy.

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    I should clarify that the conspiratorial stuff sounds like garbage, I meant his outlook that these are just anti-capitalist protests and the idea that one person's wealth should be punished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    I should clarify that the conspiratorial stuff sounds like garbage, I meant his outlook that these are just anti-capitalist protests and the idea that one person's wealth should be punished.
    What kind of anti-American shit is that? We absolutely should be punishing Americans for financial success, and then wonder why America's declining, right GeeGee?
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    I should clarify that the conspiratorial stuff sounds like garbage, I meant his outlook that these are just anti-capitalist protests and the idea that one person's wealth should be punished.
    And I still don't think Herman Cain (or you) have any idea what the protests actually ARE, if you think it's anti-capitalist and punishing wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    What kind of anti-American shit is that? We absolutely should be punishing Americans for financial success, and then wonder why America's declining, right GeeGee?
    Uh, no. America has been in decline for at least twenty years. Because we don't have freee market capitalism, we have crony capitalism; we don't have *banks trying to preserve or extend capital into the future, we have *banks extracting capital for their own profits; we don't have a fair representative democratic republic, we have elections bought by the highest bidders; we don't have leaders planning policy for the long-haul, we have leaders with two-four year mindsets.

    Haven't I been clear enough, that's been my opinion all along?



    * = Big Banks, Wall Street traders, financial industry, Treasury, Federal Reserve, etc etc

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    Right, like I said, we need to punish the financially successful if we ever hope to encourage people to be financially successful. And once we get rid of the kr0ny krapitalism, we can seize all the banks' money, and redistribute it among the Common Man, just like freeeeee market capitalism says we should! Yippie, capitalocracy!
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Right, like I said, we need to punish the financially successful if we ever hope to encourage people to be financially successful. And once we get rid of the kr0ny krapitalism, we can seize all the banks' money, and redistribute it among the Common Man, just like freeeeee market capitalism says we should! Yippie, capitalocracy!
    Just so I can understand where you're coming from, do you think the modern US has been operating on a Free Market Capitalism model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    we don't have *banks trying to preserve or extend capital into the future, we have *banks extracting capital for their own profits;
    What does that even mean? Slogans for the sake of slogans?

    we don't have a fair representative democratic republic, we have elections bought by the highest bidders;
    That's just factually inaccurate.

    we don't have leaders planning policy for the long-haul, we have leaders with two-four year mindsets.
    Welcome to politics or to life in general for that matter. Good luck finding people who care more about 10 years from now than about tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    I should clarify that the conspiratorial stuff sounds like garbage, I meant his outlook that these are just anti-capitalist protests and the idea that one person's wealth should be punished.
    I don't know, I'm not seeing the chants of "we were sold out" to mean "wealth is evil" its the idea that the people they want to be mad at took advantage of America, that their wealth is ill-gotten. The general idea of the bail outs, the mortgage fraud, and so far very little accountability from high up.

    I know this doesn't fit your other name calling thread very nicely, but jesus christ, there is no reason for you to be so blatantly dishonest about it.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    What does that even mean? Slogans for the sake of slogans?
    That's just factually inaccurate.
    That means two things: (1) our biggest banks and financial industry has been extracting money (use the word "investing" if it makes more sense) for profits that make shareholders/account managers/traders/speculators benefit, but not the American worker *or saver*, and (2) our banks gave up traditional savings and loan models, and traditional mortgage lenders stopped servicing those loans, in exchange for higher profits of CDOs, MBSs, and other structured investment vehicles, to the detriment of all tax payers.

    Welcome to politics or to life in general for that matter. Good luck finding people who care more about 10 years from now than about tomorrow.
    That's fucked up, Loki. I don't believe you find it credible that our leaders shouldn't have long vision. How many years have you put into your education?



    edit: as for our election process---answer me this: Why would so many corporate groups and industry sectors pay lobbyists to get favorable legislation, if it didn't work? Why would so many wealthy corporations or individuals bother to donate to super PACs, if it didn't work to advance their agenda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    I don't know, I'm not seeing the chants of "we were sold out" to mean "wealth is evil" its the idea that the people they want to be mad at took advantage of America, that their wealth is ill-gotten. The general idea of the bail outs, the mortgage fraud, and so far very little accountability from high up.
    You realize that the protestors complete worldview can't entirely be encompassed by pithy chants, right?

    Or maybe I'm being too charitable.

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    I haven't seen anything from them that suggests they are strictly anti-wealth, and you don't exactly see groups creating chants to advertise what they aren't against

    Dread was complaining in his other thread about how this group is so disconnected that anyone can push their ideas onto it, and yet thats exactly what he is doing here in order to belittle it.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    I haven't seen anything from them that suggests they are strictly anti-wealth, and you don't exactly see groups creating chants to advertise what they aren't against
    Quote Originally Posted by The Wall Street Journal
    Link

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    Occupy Seattle has posted 52 proposed demands on its website, asking people to vote on each. The proposals are less specific than Occupy Chicago's, such as "tax the rich and big business." Some are more radical, such as "nationalize the banks."
    Or does that not qualify as being strictly anti-wealth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    That means two things: (1) our biggest banks and financial industry has been extracting money (use the word "investing" if it makes more sense) for profits that make shareholders/account managers/traders/speculators benefit, but not the American worker *or saver*,
    Again, what does that actually mean? What business out there isn't attempting to maximize profit? And you need to look up the word "extract"; the banks didn't force anyone to give them money.

    and (2) our banks gave up traditional savings and loan models, and traditional mortgage lenders stopped servicing those loans, in exchange for higher profits of CDOs, MBSs, and other structured investment vehicles, to the detriment of all tax payers.
    You mean there were no places for people to get loans or savings accounts? And you realize that we had record low mortgage rates as a result of this madness, right? So don't give me bullshit about lenders not benefiting.

    That's fucked up, Loki. I don't believe you find it credible that our leaders shouldn't have long vision. How many years have you put into your education?
    Except any politician that has a long-term vision gets punished at the polls. Just look at what happens to any politician who tries to reform Medicare or Social Security.

    edit: as for our election process---answer me this: Why would so many corporate groups and industry sectors pay lobbyists to get favorable legislation, if it didn't work? Why would so many wealthy corporations or individuals bother to donate to super PACs, if it didn't work to advance their agenda?
    Because it helps on the margin, on some types of issues, some of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Or does that not qualify as being strictly anti-wealth?
    paywall, but based on the sentence you quoted, no, I can't take that blurp to suggest class warfare.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    paywall, but based on the sentence you quoted, no, I can't take that blurp to suggest class warfare.
    Taxing the rich/big businesses and nationalizing banks don't strike you as heralding class warfare (which wasn't the original goal post anyways) or being anti-wealth? I'm not sure that's a tenable position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Taxing the rich/big businesses and nationalizing banks don't strike you as heralding class warfare (which wasn't the original goal post anyways) or being anti-wealth? I'm not sure that's a tenable position.
    being anti-wealth isn't a calling card of class warfare? Well damn, the MSM has lied to me again!

    anyway, when someone believes that the rich and big business aren't paying their fair share of taxes, then no, simply saying "tax them" isn't being anti-wealth. Thats what they consider to be fair. Using the line without context, their taxes could be zero, but suggesting a raise to 1% would be anti-wealth within your guidelines. Where would the line be between fair and anti-wealth? (hint, doesn't exist).
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    anyway, when someone believes that the rich and big business aren't paying their fair share of taxes, then no, simply saying "tax them" isn't being anti-wealth. Thats what they consider to be fair. Using the line without context, their taxes could be zero, but suggesting a raise to 1% would be anti-wealth within your guidelines.
    Using the context of reality, their taxes aren't zero. In fact, the United States has some of the highest corporate taxes in the world. You also ignored their proposed demand that we nationalizing the banks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Using the context of reality, their taxes aren't zero. In fact, the United States has some of the highest corporate taxes in the world.
    (paywall) That link covers the illgotten angle I mentioned, loopholes and creative breaks. Thanks
    The tax rate doesn't mean shit if no one pays it.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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