My God, the New York really is just like London.
My God, the New York really is just like London.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
And for the avoidance of doubt, London is just one city and not our entire country.
I don't think Londoners got that memo. A man was on PM saying exactly the opposite of that the other day "London is England". No. It isn't.Originally Posted by RandBlade
Last edited by Steely Glint; 10-11-2011 at 10:13 PM.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
That's a lie. England is a city in London.
Hope is the denial of reality
You do need it if you want to vote, apparently, which a very fundamental right. If you're going to be saying to people "you need to have this in order to be able to vote" then you have no business charging for it as well. That is no different from directly charging people for voting.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
You don't need your birth certificate to vote, you need it to get ID which you need to vote.
Just because something is a fundamental right does not mean that there might not be administrative costs associated with it. Should I expect the state to provide a taxi to take me to and from the polling booth?
There should be some form of freely available acceptable identification if identification is going to be a prerequisite for voting.You don't need your birth certificate to vote, you need it to get ID which you need to vote.
If you are required by the state to arrive at the polling booth in a Taxi then, yes, they should pay for it.Should I expect the state to provide a taxi to take me to and from the polling booth?
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Why?
How does the state or you expect me to get to the polling booth, which for some could be many miles from where they live?If you are required by the state to arrive at the polling booth in a Taxi then, yes, they should pay for it.
Because otherwise you're effectively charging people for voting.
Walk. Get a lift with a friend. Vote by post. Nominate someone to vote for you by proxy. etc.How does the state or you expect me to get to the polling booth, which for some could be many miles from where they live?
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
RB, if we can require time off or declare public holidays to facilitate voting then it feels like waiving the fees required to register and to obtain ID should be seen as, well, small potatoes.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I agree, it probably isn't a big deal expenditure-wise. And would at least mitigate the issue of people who just don't seem to have ID. Though I don't think it should impede the passage of simple voter ID improvements, considering how much in our society depends on some sort of photo ID.
I don't know about you, but I only need photo ID if a cop pulls me over in my car, or if I fly on a plane. If your impression is that American society depends on photo ID so much, it's either your NYC culture or your particular job requirements.
Umm, GGT, it's not like I am some alien. You need photo ID to drive, not just when you are pulled over. And if you ever buy a drink.
Not to mention flying, entering government buildings and doing tons of other stuff. Which is why it's so strange that our government requires photo ID to physically enter the premises but not to vote-in that government.
both of these claims are bullshit.entering government buildings
Yes, its up to the supplier to verify that the purchaser is over the minimum age but requesting ID is not required. Publix's sign even state this, if you're under 35, you have to supply ID, to protect their asses.
I have also never had to present ID when entering a government building. I do it all the time for the county building, and I just did it the other day for the courts.
The county government building doesn't even have a metal detector or any sort of entrance protection. The court building had a metal detector, but no request for ID.
You would need the supplemental paperwork, such as a birth certificate, which varies greatly from state to state, then you would need the ID, those prices also vary (see second post for how states are handling this).
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
You need photo ID on you to drive?
I don't need anything on me to drive.
Exactly. Just toss this in with the healthcare package you're giving everyone
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Oh yes, and as an extension related to this "debate"....it sounds familiar to requiring a National ID.
May I ask how much it costs to get an ID in the US?
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
The only real number I saw was $28 but that's for voters ID. My question is more what is the range (cheapest state to most expensive state) for an normal photo ID and how long is it valid.
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
valid dates also vary. I get quite a few partons from Arizona cause their IDs last for (almost) fucking forever. Mine lasts 6 years.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
6 years sounds reasonable to me.
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
which means having to purchase one for possibly every 2 out of 3 presidental elections.
not to mention the high mobility rate of the poor, with states requiring a local ID for services.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Driving without a driver's license is illegal, and we all know people who break the law should be thrown in jail.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
I don't need to carry my license with me to drive.
Well I suppose it's a matter of minutes to get a new one with a valid old one. At least here it's like that.
Now that doesn't sound reasonable to me.not to mention the high mobility rate of the poor, with states requiring a local ID for services.
Well if this is really true for the UK, never do that abroad. Driver licence and car licence should always be at hand while driving.
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
Never knew that. Even when stopped by the Police (as has coincidentally been discussed in another thread), I have never once been asked for my licence. If you get stopped here and ticketed for doing something wrong and they ask for your licence, you have 7 days to present it at court.
What happens if you lose it? Physically. Can you not drive until you have it replaced?
I've lost my wallet with my licence in and not bothered to get it replaced yet.
Oh, I wish. Going to the Department of Motor Vehicles is like a punishment. I swear, they must have the crankiest, meanest people working there. I'm sure their employment application asks, "Are you able to be in a bad mood 24/7, and talk to people like they are horrible children?" It seems it's always an hour wait or more for the littlest thing. I've taken to using their internet services when I can.
In my state you renew a license every 5 years; you're allowed to renew it once over the net (or at least it was last time I renewed). It also used to be $12 but I'm unsure if they've upped the price now that the license designs changed recently.
EDIT: It's $4 a year now; that's a weird way of putting it. ID cards are $10 but the website doesn't say how long they are good for?
I actually spoke about photo IDs not driver licences. I don't have to renew my driver license.
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
Yes, you need it on you to drive.
Also, to buy cold medicine, at least in Georgia.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
and target asks me to swipe mine when I buy video games.
The difference is between whats requires an ID by law, when businesses use ID because its the easiest way to stay on the right side of the law, and which are completely voluntary.
Around here, driving without your license on you is a $25 fine (or used to be), and an incredibly long traffic stop as they run all the car information to find your information.
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