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    Nashville, Tennessee (CNN) -- The organizer of the Tea Party Convention says he agrees with Tom Tancredo's description of President Obama as a socialist.

    The former congressman from Colorado and 2008 Republican presidential candidate blasted Obama, saying "people who could not even spell the word 'vote', or say it in English, put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House. His name is Barack Hussein Obama."

    Tancredo made his comments Thursday night as he gave the kickoff speech for the convention, which is being held at the Gaylord Opryland Hotel and Convention Center in Nashville.

    Judson Phillips, a Tennessee lawyer who formed Tea Party Nation and who organized what's being billed as the first national Tea Party Convention, told reporters Friday that "Tom Tancredo gave a fantastic speech last night. I think he is an amazing politician."

    Asked if he agrees with Tancredo's description of Obama, Phillips said, "The word 'socialist' is a word you don't want to be labeled with in the American political system. It's got a lot of negative connotations, but it also has a very specific political meaning. It refers to a specific political ideology. I think it is very clear that that is the political ideology of Barack Obama."

    Phillips added that he thinks "Tancredo doesn't feel like a lot of people who supported Barack Obama understand the basics of this country."

    A spokesman for the Tea Party Nation, the group that organized the convention, said Tancredo's speech may have provided some red meat but termed it problematic.

    "It doesn't further the dialogue," said Mark Skoda, a businessman and founder of the Memphis Tea Party, who is also serving as spokesman for the convention.

    In his speech, Tancredo also slammed the 2008 Republican presidential nominee, saying "thank God John McCain lost the election.

    Phillips agreed, adding, "I think a McCain presidency would have been far worse than Bush one or Bush two. I think it would have been a total disaster. I think we would have gotten the worst of what we are getting in the Obama administration and really nothing positive from what would have been allegedly be a conservative party, or allegedly be a conservative leader."

    Phillips also announced that he will hold another Tea Party convention in July. He declined to name a location for the event.

    The other major news to come out of Friday's news conference: some of the organizers are forming a tax-exempt, nonprofit corporation called the Ensuring Liberty Corporation and a soon-to-be-established affiliated political action committee.

    Skoda says the formation of the corporation and the PAC is a way that the Tea Party movement can participate in politics and termed it "a conservative effort in support of candidates."

    Skoda predicted this would be an outlet for people who took part in Tea Party protests to get involved in campaign politics. He listed six congressional races in the Southeast where endorsements may be made.
    Along with the corporation and PAC, Skoda announced that candidates seeking backing would need to agree with a list of "first principles" consisting of fiscal responsibility, lower taxes, less government, states' rights and national security. He said he did not consider those principles a litmus test for candidates.
    Skoda also said he does not support a third-party movement.

    Contrary to Tancredo's remarks, the Tea Party is not about "name-calling," said Rand Paul, whose campaign for a U.S. Senate seat in Kentucky is supported by the Tea Party.

    "There are politicians who have gone into the movement and tried to become part of the movement," he said on CNN's American Morning."But really the movement is about individual people."
    The activists are mostly concerned about the "fiscal insolvency of our nation," he said. "We have to do something, and it's not going to come from the career politicians."

    Speeches are not the focus of the convention. Panels, sessions and workshops are the bread and butter of this event. Among the sessions scheduled for Friday are ones on how to conduct voter registration drives and where to find conservative votes, women in politics, how to organize a Tea Party group, how to involve youth in the conservative movement, grass roots "on the ground," how to unite state Tea Party groups, technology in the Tea Party movement and why Christians must engage.

    "This convention is a way to galvanize the conservative movement in a way that the general rallies do not," said Skoda, leading a panel on technology in the movement.

    Organizers hope the three-day event will help strengthen the anti-big-government movement. On its Web site, Tea Party Nation says the event is "aimed at bringing the Tea Party Movement leaders together from around the nation for the purpose of networking and supporting the movement's multiple organizations' principal goals."

    There has been pushback against the convention and its organizers from both outsiders and some in the movement because of the Tea Party Nation's for-profit status and because the price of entry attendees have paid for access to the workshops and seminars being held through Saturday.

    Red State blogger Erick Erickson wrote that while he has good things to say about some groups within the Tea Party, "this national Tea Party convention smells scammy."

    Mark Meckler said he and Jenny Beth Martin, co-founders of the Tea Party Patriots, aren't participating in the convention because "it wasn't the kind of grass-roots organization that we are, so we declined to participate."

    Organizers say some 600 people have paid $549 each to attend the convention and that the event is sold out. But they add that tickets costing $349 are still available for Saturday night's banquet, where former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin will give the convention's keynote address.

    Neither convention organizers nor a spokeswoman for Palin would confirm reports that she's getting paid around $100,000 for her keynote appearance.

    "I will not benefit financially from speaking at this event," Palin said in a statement this week. "Any compensation for my appearance will go right back to the cause."

    Sherry Phillips, who along with her husband, Nashville attorney Judson Phillips, founded Tea Party Nation, said earlier this week in a message to supporters that "we fully expect to break even at this event. We may even make a few thousand dollars to cover local operating costs of TPN."

    Phillips also fired back at her critics, saying, "We never did this to make us rich or famous. Quite the contrary, we are patriots who love our country, our members and the people who are coming to Nashville to attend this great event."

    As controversy surrounds the convention, tensions have been rising among Tea Party activists. Rival factions are battling over who will carry the Tea Party banner, and others worry that powerful groups are "Astroturfing" what they think should remain a grass-roots group.

    Last week two major speakers scheduled for the convention dropped out of the lineup. Rep. Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee and Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota announced that they would not attend the convention, which is being held at the Gaylord Opryland Hotel and Convention Center in Nashville.
    Blackburn was scheduled to serve as a featured speaker and introduce Palin. Bachman was scheduled to serve as one of the convention's kickoff speakers. Both are strong supporters of the Tea Party movement.

    Both said the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct advised them not to participate because of the convention's for-profit status. And both said the canceling of their speeches is not a sign that their commitment to the Tea Party movement is fading.
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    They don't want to create a third political party, but change the Republican party? They're sounding like a PAC more than anything, so maybe that makes sense.

    We already have a Constitution Party, why don't they join that?

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    It's pretty obvious that this convention was just an attempt by some conservative Republicans to try to use the Tea Party movement to promote their own agenda. Note how most of the things said at that conference had little to do with government spending, which was the main reason for the creation of the Tea Party movement...
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    They're a confusing mishmash of people. Some are in there for state's rights and limiting federal power, reducing taxes and spending....mostly they just seem ANGRY.

    Doesn't help their credibility when guys show up in 1770s costumes or like Ben Franklin in character.

    Palin as keynote speaker....? Is that a strategic move or just theatre and money-making?

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    So, this Tea Party bunch is basically telling us that there is something fishy about the Obama presidency because some of his voters couldn't speak proper English? Would it be ok from now on to call the organisation racist? Because to me it smacks of racism that remark.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    So, this Tea Party bunch is basically telling us that there is something fishy about the Obama presidency because some of his voters couldn't speak proper English? Would it be ok from now on to call the organisation racist? Because to me it smacks of racism that remark.
    Sure, if you're willing to call a political movement racist if a fringe part of it says something racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Sure, if you're willing to call a political movement racist if a fringe part of it says something racist.
    The people who organised this national convention are the fringe of the organisation?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    The people who organised this national convention are the fringe of the organisation?
    Yes. It was organized by some opportunists. Except for Palin, not one prominent Republican showed up. That should tell you something. Not sure if it's mentioned in GGT's story, but there are now 25 non-profits with the name "Tea Party". There's a lot of opportunism going on around this movement.
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    Yes, lots of groups call themselves Tea Party. The GOP should distance themselves from the racist fringe....

    Did anyone hear or read about Palin's speech?

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    I heard some of Palin's speech, but I really don't like her at all so if there was any content worth hearing I probably blocked it out. Any person or party who speaks to the public and pulls the "us" or "them" gets blacklisted for me.

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    How's that hope-y, change-y stuff working out for you?

    "It's so inspiring to see real people, not politicos, inside-the-beltway professionals, come out, stand up and speak out for common-sense conservative principles,"

    "America is ready for another revolution and you are a part of this,"

    "If there's hope in Massachusetts, there's hope everywhere,"

    "The Obama-Pelosi-Reid agenda will leave us less secure, more in debt and under the thumb of big government,"

    "How's that hope-y, change-y stuff working out for you?"

    "It's not politicizing our security to discuss our concerns because Americans deserve to know the truths about the threats that we face,"

    "we are drowning in national debt and many of us have had enough,"
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    If Palin is the best this "movement" can do, can we simply ignore it now? I'm getting tired of Loki playing the "its a fringe group" everytime some part of the GOP gets together.




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    All I remember of her plan for America is "It's simple. Let those who know the foundations of this country and how to let people succeed be allowed to do so." or some such hogwash. I had flash-backs to crazy marketing / semenar schemes for the unemployed and/or greedy. "Hi, my name is Roy! I'd like to show you how you can make all the money you want by showing other people how to show people how to make the money they want! Does that sound good to you? Then come to my seminar and for only $199.00 blah blah blah."

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    Wow, she wrote notes on her hand?! Maybe that tele-prompter looks better now.

    Anyone else enjoy the irony of the 'convention' at the Gaylord Opryland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It's pretty obvious that this convention was just an attempt by some conservative Republicans to try to use the Tea Party movement to promote their own agenda. Note how most of the things said at that conference had little to do with government spending, which was the main reason for the creation of the Tea Party movement...
    yeah, I found that intersting too. And to have Sarah Palin as a spoke's person? Ms. lets get as much pork for Alaska as possible? And not to mention Social totalitarian....

    The were chanting "President Palin" or some such at the end of the "convention," to speak at which she received a 6 figure pay check...

    In her speech she said the war on terror is simple, we should fight and win it just like Reagan did the cold war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    If Palin is the best this "movement" can do, can we simply ignore it now? I'm getting tired of Loki playing the "its a fringe group" everytime some part of the GOP gets together.
    I'm tired of your blatant inability to use reason whenever the word "Republican" is involved. You think it's a coincidence that all the mainstream Republicans pulled out of this convention?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I'm tired of your blatant inability to use reason whenever the word "Republican" is involved. You think it's a coincidence that all the mainstream Republicans pulled out of this convention?
    They pulled out of the convention on the advice of their advertizers.
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    Both said the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct advised them not to participate because of the convention's for-profit status. And both said the canceling of their speeches is not a sign that their commitment to the Tea Party movement is fading.

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    Is it really that hard to understand that there is no centralized Tea Party movement and numerous groups are trying to make use of this movement for their own, often unrelated, goals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Is it really that hard to understand that there is no centralized Tea Party movement and numerous groups are trying to make use of this movement for their own, often unrelated, goals?
    Easy to understand that, sure. Not so easy to know what the RNC will do with/about all these factions who still call themselves Republicans....

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    They're not very happy about it, as this movement has already cost the Republicans a Congressional seat (by backing a conservative Republican who lost a primary to a moderate one in the general election). But they obviously aren't going to say anything overtly negative about it, as a lot of their own constituents are sympathetic to the movement.
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    Isn't that problematic for the GOP? They can't say anything negative about the social conservatives that (supposedly) aren't really part of their larger base, because they'll lose contribution money?

    Is that it....the money?

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    The Tea Party movement isn't about social conservatism; it's mostly a reaction to Obama's economic policies. As for your second point, it's not about the money; it's about the votes. When 2/3 of Republican voters view the Tea Party people favorably, you're not going to say anything negative about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The Tea Party movement isn't about social conservatism; it's mostly a reaction to Obama's economic policies. As for your second point, it's not about the money; it's about the votes. When 2/3 of Republican voters view the Tea Party people favorably, you're not going to say anything negative about them.
    So as individual meet ups and gatherings, they are all fringe groups; the best excuse not to participate being the "for-profit status."
    But the tea baggers have the ear of 2/3rds of the Republicans?


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    How is this any different to the MoveOn.org crowd?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    How is this any different to the MoveOn.org crowd?
    The Teabaggers don't send me emails I never asked for telling me that I have to get excited over Obama doing _____?
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

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    Just wait.
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    I also get mass-emails from my Senator telling me he's protecting my interests. I really wanted to reply that he was lying to either himself or me, but decided it really wasn't worth the effort.
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

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    Ok, I don't really get this Tea Party thing; who are these people? Are they really a grass-roots organisation or just a sub-division of the Republican Party (in which case astroturf really seems to be the appropriate term). Even Loki's remark that 'all main stream Republicans pulled out' seems to indicate they were more of GOP front than anything else.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlelolligagged View Post
    The Teabaggers don't send me emails I never asked for telling me that I have to get excited over Obama doing _____?
    I'll give yoru email address to my brother. He sends me the Heritage Foundation's daily Obama-is-a-Communist newsletter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Ok, I don't really get this Tea Party thing; who are these people? Are they really a grass-roots organisation or just a sub-division of the Republican Party (in which case astroturf really seems to be the appropriate term). Even Loki's remark that 'all main stream Republicans pulled out' seems to indicate they were more of GOP front than anything else.
    My brother claims they don't like Republicans, that Teabaggers hate GW, though he voted for him twice. I don't know who he's going to vote for in November if its not Republicans. Maybe he'll stay home.
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