Anybody here watching Caprica? I sort of like what they have been doing with it so far. And it's actually fun to see that the young Adama had a married gay uncle
Caprica
Anybody here watching Caprica? I sort of like what they have been doing with it so far. And it's actually fun to see that the young Adama had a married gay uncle
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Haven't seen it. After the debacle of the end of BSG I'm not sure I want to start something wonderful and new only to be profoundly disappointed. Am I being too cautious?
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I think so, this show has potential.
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BSG was one of the best ever. But the last thing I remember about it is that horrible series close. Gahh!
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I'm watching, but unless it gets better in a couple of episodes I'm probably going to stop. The pace is just too slow for me..
What on earth is it about? Isn't it just BSG without space battles? That sounds a little <insert good word here>.
I think it shows how the Cylons came about.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
It is about how the Cylons came about, and their religion. I like how it's done. I also find all the European cars from over the last century quite funny.Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
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How the cylons came about this time. Because if you recall, this has all happened before, and it will all happen again. For some odd reason humans keep popping up and making civilizations that get torn down by the robots they can't seem to recall are too dangerous to make. Rinse and repeat.
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Eh, yeah of course, and I might add, how the Colonies' Cylons came about because the original skinjobs aren't really explained by this cyclus. They're sort of a reversed search for their origin it seems.How the cylons came about this time. Because if you recall, this has all happened before, and it will all happen again. For some odd reason humans keep popping up and making civilizations that get torn down by the robots they can't seem to recall are too dangerous to make. Rinse and repeat.
Why didn't you like the end of BSG? Too rushed?
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Where to start? God.
#1. Finding humans of all things, already there, ready to breed, on Earth was stupid.
#2. The colonists suddenly deciding "hey, lets throw away all our modern technology, fly our starships into the sun, and live like cave people" was stupid.
#3. The "Starbuck is an Angel" end of that story line was stupid - that was such an interesting mystery and they throw it away like that? Oh ffs.
#4. The depressingly constraining and boring over-arching explanation for the whole thing was awful: Humans inevitably make robots that inevitably kill humans leading to inevitable catastrophic self-destruction is just a terrible premise.
#5. The baltar and 6 ghost walking in modern day Earth as representatives from God remarking along the lines of "here we go again" - please. That was horrible.
#5. Generally, a great sci-fi story was devolved into a pseudo-spiritual unimaginative romp with god. All my complaints can be explained with god did it. Why were there primitive humans on Earth already? God did it. Why did Starbuck die and come back to life and lead them all to the promised land? God did it. How did the skin jobs meet up with the combatants in the latest iteration of the ad nauseum war? God led them. Who was the mystery 6 living in Baltars head - and vice versa - was it a technical accident? Was it a virus implanted by the cylons? Was it Baltar going insane? No. God did it - she was an angel. WTF? Blah. Incredibly disappointing, IMO.
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I just watched the first episode.
It pleased me that young Adama gets his old music back.
Other than that, I don't entirely know what I think of it yet.
Chacha's problem is that he has no soul. The finale of BSG was emotional and meaningful.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
When I first saw you say something like this about that final episode and the wrap up of all the story lines was when I began to Doubt.
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Okay, so I just finished watching Caprica up to their midseason cutoff.
It grew on me. A lot.
The set-up that this iteration of cylons want to get revenge on humanity because they began with a teenage girl with (justifiable) daddy issues is just delicious.
The one thing I found odd was that Joseph Adama's assistant was able to manage so well in New Cap City.
I hope she makes it back, often. I thought it was dreadful when they killed her character off on SG-1.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
Anyone else liking Caprica? I was rather underwhelmed by the pilot (?) episode I downloaded ages ago (where the dead chick gets uploaded into the Cylon prototype), so I haven't bothered to tune in...
Oh, come on. That was good... and kind of obvious from episode 1. Cyclical time was only the primary theme of the entire damn show, FFS. Sure, the rest was pretty "oh fuck, we can't figure out how to tie this all off," but the cyclical time thing wasn't bad.#4. The depressingly constraining and boring over-arching explanation for the whole thing was awful: Humans inevitably make robots that inevitably kill humans leading to inevitable catastrophic self-destruction is just a terrible premise.
#5. The baltar and 6 ghost walking in modern day Earth as representatives from God remarking along the lines of "here we go again" - please. That was horrible.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
It grew on me too. It was a slow burn, none of the first batch of episodes really drew me in, but it got more interesting later. I think the first really good episode was the one with New Cap City.
Cain, get back in character. You are more cynical than this.
Whether its consistent or was a long running theme is not the point. The idea that all of human history is the back and forth self-annhilation cycle between organic and machine intelligence is:
a. boring.
b. depressing.
c. extremely restrictive for any kind of future story telling once the cat's out of the bag.
By c, what I mean is there's no fun at all in the future or past of BSG - they basically said this is what always happens because humans and machines are always like this. Ok, then. Humanity will always reach a certain technological point where it will let the demon loose on itself and eventually reset itself to a technologically primitive point. Rinse and repeat. Nothing more to talk about.
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I just couldn't take it after episode 3 or 4...something about the little girl's voice in the robot body and all the vague unsubstantiated talk about "big things". It just made me think about the end of BSG too much. Very airy and light...
Yes! I hated that too! GAH!
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Never having seen the show, I'm gonna blindly infer that your opinions on the cyclical time deelie have been impacted slightly by Mass Effect 2. How's that am I in the ballpark? No? Meh...
I've seen ads for this show, but to be honest I'm a bit wary of anything on the Syfy, Discovery, or Animal channels now.
Whats Mass Effect too?
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its this videogame you play on youre xbox360 or youre peecee, its kinda futury and stuff like that.
What's "uncynical" about cyclical time?Cain, get back in character. You are more cynical than this.
No matter what you do, you're still doomed to the same fate - eventually the Cylons are gonna nuke you into oblivion, and the few scattered survivors who somehow manage to flee and resolve the conflict... are ultimately doomed to establish another cycle of nuclear death, making the years of sacrifice and suffering they went through to survive ultimately meaningless.
Sounds delightfully cynical to me - how am I wrong?
Enh. It's different from the traditional view of time - that we perpetually improve ourselves and our technologies, until the sun explodes and/or the universe experiences heat death. If you ask me, *that's* boring. Everything gets better and better until the universe dies. *yawn* That's why Star Trek sucked. Time for something new.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
You do understand that the whole premise of the BSG ending was that it was an attempt to break the cycle?Cain, get back in character. You are more cynical than this.
Whether its consistent or was a long running theme is not the point. The idea that all of human history is the back and forth self-annhilation cycle between organic and machine intelligence is:
a. boring.
b. depressing.
c. extremely restrictive for any kind of future story telling once the cat's out of the bag.
By c, what I mean is there's no fun at all in the future or past of BSG - they basically said this is what always happens because humans and machines are always like this. Ok, then. Humanity will always reach a certain technological point where it will let the demon loose on itself and eventually reset itself to a technologically primitive point. Rinse and repeat. Nothing more to talk about.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
You're uncyncial because you refuse to rail against something that's clearly awful; extra awful because the series was so well done and this, this horrible series finale. BLAH. You know it sucks, yet you refuse to embrace that reality. You actually give it the benefit of the doubt. WTF?
New? Worse. The cycle is way worse than any other imagined future. And the other possibilities are not just limited to constant forever improvement like Star Trek. Come on, there's much darker, very entertaining, enlightening even, non-cyclical futures out there in sci-fi.Enh. It's different from the traditional view of time - that we perpetually improve ourselves and our technologies, until the sun explodes and/or the universe experiences heat death. If you ask me, *that's* boring. Everything gets better and better until the universe dies. *yawn* That's why Star Trek sucked. Time for something new.
That failed, as the angel Baltar and Six so annoyingly and cheesily pointed out.
They should have left that whole thing with the final five being from some place else unexplained. Cover it in Caprica. I just can't bring my self to watch it knowing its following the pre-formatted cyclical this has all happened before and will happen again religous gah gah story line.
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Obliviously you've misremembered the dialogue.That failed, as the angel Baltar and Six so annoyingly and cheesily pointed out.
Spoiler for nBSG finale:
Spoiler:
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
GRRRRRRRRRR. I hated that scene.
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Why?
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
I hated that they were agents of god walking about and how that invalidated the more entertaining aspects of wondering why Baltar was hallucinating 6 all the time. I hated all the stock footage of our robot toys implying we're going down that road again. I hated the reference to god the entity and what it likes or dislikes. I hated the implication that the Eve creature we're all apparently descended from was the cylon hybrid. I hated that they found humans living on that world already, that they could breed with them, that we are their mixed descendants. I hate that they destroyed all their advanced technology and joined the savages. I hate the implication that god is out there making worlds with poeple on them and experimenting and mixing them and whatever but just can't seem to make humans that don't end up destroying themselves by making artificial mind.
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Well, I've no arguments with any of that.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
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