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    WASHINGTON - Could this turn into something more than political theater?

    President Barack Obama's televised dialogue with Republican lawmakers on health care, promised for later this month, has the makings of an entertaining exchange. But the differences between the basic Democratic and GOP ideas are stark — and the two sides have increasingly hardened their positions in this election year.

    Yet, in a story with more twists than a soap opera, Obama's invitation to congressional leaders of both parties to attend a Feb. 25 meeting can't be dismissed as a mere diversion. Although many Americans have doubts about the Democrats' sweeping plans to cover the uninsured, Republicans can't afford to be perceived as oblivious to the health care insecurities of middle-class families.

    "My expectations? Probably below 50 percent, but not zero," said Rep. Gerry Connolly, D-Va., a moderate who serves as president of the Democratic freshman class in the House. "At some point, the public is going to demand that Republicans participate like mature adults, and not just say 'no' to everything."

    It's the Democrats' big-government approach — not the Republicans — that's the problem, insisted Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., author of the House GOP bill. "The president has got to show that he has heard what the American people are saying. He's got to make clear we are not going to start off with the current bill."

    But where to start?

    Democrats want an upfront commitment to cover most of the nearly 50 million uninsured Americans. Republicans prefer first taking steps to cut costs, then revisiting the issue of full coverage over time.

    Democrats would raise taxes to provide government subsidies for people who can't afford to buy health insurance. Republicans say now is not the time to increase taxes.

    Both sides want to bar insurance companies from turning down people with health problems, but only Democrats propose requiring most people to get coverage — a necessary first step, according to most experts.

    To illustrate the gap between the two sides, the House GOP bill would cover 3 million uninsured people, the House Democratic version 36 million.

    "That's quite a gulf," said Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., the No. 2 Democrat in the House. "And if that's where Republicans want to stay, I don't think it's going to be perceived as much progress by the 33 million who would be left out."

    'The feel of a campaign event'

    After months of seeing Obama try to muscle legislation through with only Democratic votes, Republicans are wary of his new overture. Senate Democrats lost their ability to block a filibuster with the election of Scott Brown, R-Mass., forcing the president to recalibrate.

    "This has the feel of a campaign event," said economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a top adviser to 2008 GOP presidential candidate John McCain. "The time to sit down with Republicans was a year ago."

    The House and Senate are partisan institutions by design, Holtz-Eakin said. Divided into majority and minority, they sharpen differences. Only Obama could have guaranteed a bipartisan health care bill. "You needed the White House to spend political capital telling the liberal base in the House they weren't going to get everything they wanted," he said. "They weren't able to do that."

    The announcement of the health care summit has struck some Republicans as suspect. Democrats say the idea came from the White House, and was first broached last Thursday when Obama met Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Hoyer, to discuss the 2010 legislative agenda.

    Republicans say they were notified by the White House on Sunday, a couple of hours before a CBS News interview in which Obama floated the proposal. Usually, White House schedulers call congressional leaders well in advance of such major meetings.

    Democrats say they are aiming to resolve remaining differences between the House and Senate versions of their own legislation in advance of the meeting. That could signal that Obama means to emphasize contrasts between Democratic and Republican approaches, not probe for common ground.

    The meeting is expected to be held at Blair House, the presidential guest house across Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House, but the administration has not released any details about the format. "I don't agree this is going to be political theater," said spokesman Reid Cherlin. "This is going to be a substantive discussion about how best to achieve the goals the president laid out."

    Starting from scratch is not an option, Democrats say. But Republicans say they can't see the House and Senate Democratic bills as a starting point. For one thing, both would raise taxes. "I would not accept the imposition of higher taxes in any kind of health care reform right now," said Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., the No. 2 House Republican.

    Still, there are a couple of issues on which Obama could try to nudge lawmakers on both sides.
    He could officially bury the government insurance plan sought by liberals. A major obstacle for Republicans, the public option never had the votes to pass in the Senate. Yet Obama has hesitated to declare it dead.

    The president could also follow through with curbs on medical malpractice litigation. Although he agrees with Republicans that fear of lawsuits leads doctors to practice defensive medicine and drives up costs, Obama has not insisted that limits on litigation be included in the bill.

    But any step toward limits — fiercely opposed by the nation's trial lawyers — is certain to draw solid Democratic resistance in a midtern election year. And it's unclear how much such a gesture by Obama would help at this point.

    "Right now, it is hard to get people to move off positions that they have taken," said Gail Wilensky, who ran Medicare for former President George H.W. Bush. "It's not like there was a bipartisan effort that went to the 11th hour and then fell apart. It was a Democratic package, passed by a Democratic Congress."
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    Look ma, no comments of significance from me!

    What are peoples expectations for how this will turn out?

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    First, a mad dash from PACs and lobbyists, especially insurance and trial lawyers. Mixed in with the theatre will be some substance.

    Republicans will keep pushing to start from scratch, centrist Democrats will keep trying to nudge to the middle, liberals will be forced to give up the public option in return for ____, conservatives will mention SSSocialism and Death Panels.

    Both sides will pander a bit to the camera/viewing 'audience'. Everyone will wear a tiny flag pin.

    Too bad all the previous 'negotiations' weren't televised on C-Span in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
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    Look ma, no comments of significance from me!

    What are peoples expectations for how this will turn out?
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    I think we need to start from the beginning by going back to what was originally proposed before all the back room deals and compromises. Televise the whole damn thing, and watch how differently it all plays out.

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    Because the original proposals weren't already based on back room deals and compromises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    I think we need to start from the beginning by going back to what was originally proposed before all the back room deals and compromises. Televise the whole damn thing, and watch how differently it all plays out.
    I am affraid that all that will get you is grandstanding and nothing done.
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    Obama's stratagists are wheeling this one out because Obama's trip to the House Republicans Lion's den really worked for him. That video was great, btw. Well worth watching. But this time around he's bringing congressmen with him and you can bet your ass the Republicans are working hard trying to figure out how to short circuit this new format. I seriously doubt Obama will get the same kind of victory here he got last time around. The best thing Republicans could do is trot out the richeous anger and shout everything down the way they did last August at the Town Hall meetings. That kind of nonsense is what their base constituents respond to.
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    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

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    Private participation is desirable when high demand is desirable.
    In one side you have supply (hospitals) and demand (sick people).
    A profitable business is about increasing demand (make more people sick).
    So if the public option is not implemented, then US workers will be less competitive than foreigners because of their health.

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