Make up your mind.
Funny how a thread about Ryan's black girl friend morphed into a discussion about poverty and opportunities....and now it's about "certain" immigrant groups or natives not emphasizing self-control or learning.
Yeah, everyone can probably agree that cultural values matter. Urban areas with diversity, and ethnic 'enclaves' that act as support systems make a huge difference. But please explain your broad brush assertions that "bad decisions", lack of self-control, or certain values cause poverty.