French Magazine Runs Cartoons That Mock Muhammad
Calling itself a defender of free speech and a denouncer of religious backwardness, a French satirical newspaper on Wednesday published several crude caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, images viewed as a provocation by many Muslims and condemned by the French government as irresponsible at a time of violence and unrest across the Islamic world.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/wo...-muhammad.html
Defence of free speech my ass
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Lewkowski and a far left anarchist French newspaper: united at last in common cause.
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LOL - so true! Gotta hand it to the guys - they did a great job of not being intimidated *despite being the victim of a previous attack.* Almost makes me rethink my views on the French people.Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Are you going to take the ridiculous position that freedom of speech doesn't cover the right to offend?Defence of free speech my ass
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I think The Onion did a pretty good job of offending without throwing more fuel on the fire.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-...9553/?ref=auto
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
I haven't see the cartoons in the Charlie Hebdo's mag yet, but the cover one is funny and has a good political statement, so good satire IMO.
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No, I'm going to take the probably accurate position that these guys are mostly just being asshats and only to make money.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Free speech my ass too. The movie was a complete disrespect towards another culture. How about mocking 9/11 victims? That would be very disrespectful. For them, all westerners are all the same, we look very similar. So they feel insulted by westerners and they react, just like hooligans would if their soccer team is insulted.
In 2007 in a couple of US forums I mentioned that unemployment would be a problem and people reacted harshly. They warned and banned me. They called me "troll", "spammer", "socialist", "antiamerican" and other colorful adjectives. Nowadays Bernanke is very socialist as he makes a QE under the excuse of lowering unemployment. Lawrence of Arabia earned their respect, this movie maker did not.
It is a tragedy that an ambassador died. It is just about an ordinary man with a job.
Freedom - When people learn to embrace criticism about politicians, since politicians are just employees like you and me.
Mocking 9/11 falls under free speech too.
The whole point of free speech is that it's not just free when it suits you.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
Yes that could be a little disrespectful, although the cannabis one is clever
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And yet you won't see Americans riot over it...
Okay but how is that of any interest to me? I'm not santa clause, I don't have a naughty/nice list that I have to fill out before deciding whether or not to give Americans and Muslims presents.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Then what is your point?
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and there are any number of reasons for that. That we now have a stronger and currently more heavy handed police force. Our "freedom zones". The fact that these countries only recently tipped in the direction of allowing protests and thus still need to find their footing in regards to democracy and dissent.
There are plenty of groups I'm betting a majority of US citizens would love to burn to the ground. Westboro being the biggest example, do you think that hasn't happened yet because we are somehow more evolved as humans? Cause I know a few clinic workers that would dissagree.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
That all the problems wouldn't exist in the world if only everyone censored themselves.
Most of these countries have been permitting (and frequently encouraging) anti-American protests for decades. I love the moral relativism by the way. Clearly the reason Americans aren't torching foreign embassies en masse and killing everyone who offends America is because of our police. It's certainly not because killing someone isn't considered an acceptable response to an inflammatory cartoon/movie in this country.
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Yes...it's called Rule of Law.
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protest ≠ riot.
Our politicans are forever supporting or suggesting protests over stupid shit.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
And how frequently do people listen? You're seriously going to draw moral equivalence here? How frequently do even our politicians say that people should go and torch a foreign embassy? Or to go attack businesses owned by people from country x just because some private individual in country x did something stupid? Where are the million man marches any time some comedian insults Jesus?
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Libya had politicans calling for that embassy to be burned? Like physically burned by a mob of crazies? None of that empty fluff stuff, like politicans putting aiming crosshairs on others but not really meaning to shot them? I missed that.
I know we have political players that support the burning or bombing of abortion clinics, and we have crazy sheriffs who have admitted they would use deadly force to stop abortions. I don't see how that feverism is any different than the very small percentage of extremists under the umbrella of Islam who take advantage of a protest to cause harm. US has its own groups that do the same. You were pretty relentless in calling the Occupy people rapists because of a handful out of hundreds of thousands.
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 09-20-2012 at 07:07 PM.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
That second one made me flinch, Flixy.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
We are more culturally evolved. Arab countries have predominately inferior cultures.
Did you seriously just allege that US police/domestic security forces are stronger and more heavy-handed than those in Egypt?
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
But again OG, you don't see this type of response from us as you do from these twits over a DAMN CARTOON.
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So if only we had a less heavy handed police force, we'd have way more riots, firebombings, and murders?
I was mainly referring to Libya since it was already mentioned that their forces can't handle scenes like this. Any force can be caught with their pants down but not have people suffer serious harm for whatever reason. America isn't exactly immune to protests turning violent, but not deadly, before or after a police response.
Herd mentality may currently be stronger over there, but the US has issues with its own brand ridiculous opposition to certain things.
Even then, Fox wouldn't be Fox if they didn't at least try to be just as big twits.
I should say inadequate. Detroit for example.
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 09-20-2012 at 07:43 PM.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
That "free speech" is a red herring here. The noble virtuous defense of free speech has nothing to do with eg. the French satirical paper's intentions.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Intentions are entirely irrelevant. The points the French paper is trying to make are that it has the right offend people, and that anyone who responds violently is at fault for their actions. Do you disagree with either point?
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The French paper isn't trying to make a point, it's trying to make a buck. What is entirely irrelevant is a few years' worth of Mohammed-satire against a backdrop of decades of general hatred for a large number of other reasons.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
People need to learn to hold their emotions in check. Perhaps women in those countries would have more rights as well if the men didn't think it appropriate to act on every impulse.
Either way, the paper has the right to print those cartoons and the people in Muslim countries don't have the right to engage in murder and arson in response. If they do, they shouldn't complain when their religion gets a bad name.
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