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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    So in some part wealth is literally wishful thinking. Faith. Property values kept going up for no good reason other than people believed they would. And those that bought and sold at the right time got to keep that wealth created by the increasing property values. But when people stopped believing, the wealth that was still in the property just . . . went away.... That's fucked up.
    Not really, it's more that our view of wealth, or value really, is distorted. Value is relative, but we try and and characterize it as some sort of fixed property.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The main point here is that if any loss must be offset by a similar gain, then it would be impossible, by definition, for wealth in a country to ever decrease.
    No it wouldn't. You're just getting hijacked by conventional (academic) definitions of gain/loss/wealth, and associated "numbers".

    Nothing dynamic ever moves in equal tandem. That's why carry trades and derivatives and currency plays can "create wealth" without an equal "destruction of wealth".

  3. #63
    Half the people in the country use horses for transportation. For whatever reason, horses become obsolete. At most, people can sell their horses for 1/10 their previous value. Has wealth in the society decreased?
    Hope is the denial of reality

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Half the people in the country use horses for transportation. For whatever reason, horses become obsolete. At most, people can sell their horses for 1/10 their previous value. Has wealth in the society decreased?
    Professor Loki, your analogy sucks. Mostly because (if the economy in general tanks that bad and that suddenly) horses can be killed and eaten, their hides can be used as coats, their hooves can be ground into gelatin flour, which might theoretically spawn some new consumer industry).

    Cars, homes, stocks or 401Ks can't become food. Zero value on paper is still zero value. Tho I suppose homes and cars have enough raw materials to burn or sell or trade (copper, PVC, wood) we still can't eat them.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Socialist. Or maybe an American version of the French Revolution. I wonder how long it'll be before Congress says "let them eat cake" ?
    Socialist = Unfamiliar

    Examples:
    Aliens are socialists.
    Climate change is socialist.
    Having decent health in US is socialist.
    Even US indians could be socialists...

    Of course, bank bailout is not a socialist subsidy because bailouts have happened more often than people think so they are quite familiar, and war is not socialist government intervention since war is a familiar concept since 1941.

    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Yes, the uber rich will be fine. They only thing they have to worry about is a communist revolution.
    Your fears came late...

    As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.

    In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America 'Disintegrates' in 2010
    I woudn't say 2010. I'd say 2012... The end of world economy.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by ar81 View Post
    I woudn't say 2010. I'd say 2012... The end of world economy.
    Finally, anarchy.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  7. #67
    Oh for fuck's sake. Why do people take any legitimate beef to the extreme of zomg it's a conspiracy, or oh noes it's even worse----it's teh end of the world!? Should we have a teatime and twitter about this?


  8. #68
    Have the two people above you ever said anything that wasn't inane?
    Hope is the denial of reality

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Have the two people above you ever said anything that wasn't inane?
    Hey! Keep it up and I will defriend you.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Have the two people above you ever said anything that wasn't inane?
    Yes.

    Sometimes you say inane things too, but it's not held against you.

    What, are you keeping post-it notes by your computer or something?

  11. #71
    The blind leading the blind I guess.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The blind leading the blind I guess.
    Not really. I don't know why, but you seem to have a grudge against certain people. They can say one profound thing you may agree with, but you'll bring up that one time, or several times, a long time ago, when they said something stupid and you disagreed.

    You're a scorekeeper.

  13. #73
    Some people make sense some of the time. Some people make sense most of the time. And yet others never make sense. That's as far as my "score-keeping" goes. I think you'll find that my judgment on the two people above is shared by most people here.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Some people make sense some of the time. Some people make sense most of the time. And yet others never make sense. That's as far as my "score-keeping" goes. I think you'll find that my judgment on the two people above is shared by most people here.
    Is this like "even a stopped clock is correct twice a day" but you wouldn't call them clocks?

    Dunno Loki, it's not like they're spamming up the home front page that was originally intended to be an intellectual blog. (Though I don't really know that, since I never look there).

    Even kat makes some sense, sometimes.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I think you'll find that my judgment on the two people above is shared by most people here.
    Group flaw?
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Is this like "even a stopped clock is correct twice a day" but you wouldn't call them clocks?

    Dunno Loki, it's not like they're spamming up the home front page that was originally intended to be an intellectual blog. (Though I don't really know that, since I never look there).

    Even kat makes some sense, sometimes.
    Did I ever suggest they shouldn't be allowed to post?
    Hope is the denial of reality

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Did I ever suggest they shouldn't be allowed to post?
    Nope. Did I ever suggest you suggested that?

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Yes.

    Sometimes you say inane things too, but it's not held against you.

    What, are you keeping post-it notes by your computer or something?
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Oh for fuck's sake. Why do people take any legitimate beef to the extreme of zomg it's a conspiracy, or oh noes it's even worse----it's teh end of the world!? Should we have a teatime and twitter about this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Have the two people above you ever said anything that wasn't inane?
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Hey! Keep it up and I will defriend you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The blind leading the blind I guess.
    I can't read most of what AR posts. Its wierdly constructed and doesn't make sense unless you really think about it. And that's too much work. Being used to seem to post seriously. Past few days he's been spamming a lot. Probably drunk.
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Probably drunk.
    Not yet, but I'm working on it.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Did I ever suggest they shouldn't be allowed to post?
    You are taking it a bit too far Loki. If their posts never have anything worth reading, put them on ignore like a normal person. Stop filling the forum with replies that people who had the sense to have already ignored them don't want to read.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  21. #81
    Ignore lists are for wussies

    (I give fifty fifty odds that this post will be ironic)
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  22. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Ignore lists are for wussies

    (I give fifty fifty odds that this post will be ironic)
    You haven't made it back on there, yet. I figure it's only a matter of time, though. And you usually don't go on crusades where you reply to pretty much every post someone makes just to say you don't like them, the way Loki is doing right now. He is presenting a perfect example of when an ignore list should be used.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  23. #83
    Of course it is
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  24. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    You are taking it a bit too far Loki. If their posts never have anything worth reading, put them on ignore like a normal person. Stop filling the forum with replies that people who had the sense to have already ignored them don't want to read.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Ignore lists are for wussies

    (I give fifty fifty odds that this post will be ironic)
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    You haven't made it back on there, yet. I figure it's only a matter of time, though. And you usually don't go on crusades where you reply to pretty much every post someone makes just to say you don't like them, the way Loki is doing right now. He is presenting a perfect example of when an ignore list should be used.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Of course it is
    Loki spent a lot of time on my ignore list way back when. But then I learned how not to care. (thank you Nessus) I now more or less agree with Nessus on this. But that could be just a fad.
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

  25. #85
    Why would you block loki? At least hes almost always interesting and rarely stupid. Annoying and infuriating to debate, i grant you, but at least hes not stupid.
    "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

  26. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    You haven't made it back on there, yet. I figure it's only a matter of time, though. And you usually don't go on crusades where you reply to pretty much every post someone makes just to say you don't like them, the way Loki is doing right now. He is presenting a perfect example of when an ignore list should be used.
    I fixed that problem shortly after making that post.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  27. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Spawnie View Post
    Why would you block loki?

    hes almost always Annoying and infuriating to debate

    but at least hes not stupid.
    Leaving out context and using the enter key in cunning ways, you can now discuss yourself.

    Try this at home!
    I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
    I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
    Which is what I am

    I aim at the stars
    But sometimes I hit London

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