Black people twice as likely to be charged with drugs possession – report

[Aimless]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rug-possession

I can think of at least one possible explanation that doesn't have to do with racism and prejudice but i haven't yet gone through the report or the relevant laws to test that hunch

[Loki]

There's nothing about prior convictions there. Surely that would have a huge role to play in what punishment someone gets...

[RandBlade]

It also refers to cautions/warnings and getting charged. There's data about the percentage getting warned vs charged but no data on whether those charged had prior warnings (so would be due to get charged this time).

Sloppy reporting.

[Flixy]

There's nothing about prior convictions there. Surely that would have a huge role to play in what punishment someone gets...

It also refers to cautions/warnings and getting charged. There's data about the percentage getting warned vs charged but no data on whether those charged had prior warnings (so would be due to get charged this time).

Sloppy reporting.

Sure, but if you are between 6 and 17 times as likely to be searched, guess who will most likely have previous warnings/convictions for exactly the same?

[RandBlade]

Those who've been caught breaking the law, cautioned and continued to break it?

[Aimless]

Those who've been caught breaking the law, cautioned and continued to break it?

black people

[Nessus]

The lesser races need a firm, guiding hand. See how over-represented blacks and hispanics are, per capita, in the incarceration rates in the United States, arguably the leader of the free world? Correlation doesn't prove causation, I will grant you that, but let us also remember that handling the negroids and other inferiors has been a dilemma for the civilization in the United States for centuries now. As Dread argued in the frisking thread, surely the police only detain and investigate those who warrant detaining and investigating? If members of the lesser races keep over-representing themselves in crime statistics, it's simple reasoning to see that keeping a closer eye on them is a stabilizing factor in civil society.

[Flixy]

Those who've been caught breaking the law, cautioned and continued to break it?

Which means that it is less legal for black people to smoke weed? Or, rather, just as illegal, but it's enforced a lot harsher against them. I mean, if anyone can smoke it until you get cautioned, it seems a bit unfair considering blacks are between 6 and 17 times as likely to be stopped in the first place. That doesn't sound very much like justice to me.

[Khendraja'aro]

Those who've been caught breaking the law, cautioned and continued to break it?

Say, do you understand statistics or not? And the basic mechanisms behind them?

So, you have this new, more sensitive test for a dormant illness. And voilá, the part of the populace infected with said illness just increased by a hundredfold.

Does that now mean that this illness has somehow become more infectuous?

[Dreadnaught]

The lesser races need a firm, guiding hand. See how over-represented blacks and hispanics are, per capita, in the incarceration rates in the United States, arguably the leader of the free world? Correlation doesn't prove causation, I will grant you that, but let us also remember that handling the negroids and other inferiors has been a dilemma for the civilization in the United States for centuries now. As Dread argued in the frisking thread, surely the police only detain and investigate those who warrant detaining and investigating? If members of the lesser races keep over-representing themselves in crime statistics, it's simple reasoning to see that keeping a closer eye on them is a stabilizing factor in civil society.

I don't deny that police discrimination is a problem. However, the solution is not to expect police stops/arrests to evenly conform to the racial makeup of society at large.

[Loki]

Which means that it is less legal for black people to smoke weed? Or, rather, just as illegal, but it's enforced a lot harsher against them. I mean, if anyone can smoke it until you get cautioned, it seems a bit unfair considering blacks are between 6 and 17 times as likely to be stopped in the first place. That doesn't sound very much like justice to me.

The reality is that black Brits are 6 times more likely to break the law than are white Brits (at least as of 2000); this includes crimes the police isn't picky about investigating, like murder.

[Lewkowski]

I'm curious why Indians (not native Americans) have a lower incarceration rate then Hispanics. Everything the media tells me is that the only reason they are being arrested more is because of police and societal racism! It doesn't make sense!

[Nessus]

I don't deny that police discrimination is a problem. However, the solution is not to expect police stops/arrests to evenly conform to the racial makeup of society at large.

Hang on a second there, Dexter; has anyone proven actual discrimination happens? Sure, some activist judges have opined that just because non-whites are over-represented, per capita, in incarceration and inspection rates, this must somehow mean discrimination happens. But that whole 'correlation isn't causation' goes both ways; why is the assumption that police are in the wrong and that negroids must be as law-abiding as actual people? Assuming the other way round: If you have wild Negro bucks running wild, they're liable to mug, rape and violate property rights, and little nigresses prostitute themselves (thus spreading diseases) to feed the useless mouths they've brought into this world ever since they were teenagers. If the police and the justice system have the temerity to at least attempt to combat their bacillus, I say good for them.

[GGT]

Nessie, is your post heavy sarcasm, or do you really feel that way?

[Nessus]

That's the fortunate thing about numbers, they do not elicit feelings.

[GGT]

Is that what you think about non-whites, or as you say-- negroids?

[Nessus]

If the US justice system says so, who am I to disagree?

[GGT]

What kind of punt is that? Do you believe in "white supremacy", or doubt

negroids must be as law-abiding as actual people

??

If you're going to make that kind of comment, don't be coy and shy away when asked to explain.

[RandBlade]

Which means that it is less legal for black people to smoke weed? Or, rather, just as illegal, but it's enforced a lot harsher against them. I mean, if anyone can smoke it until you get cautioned, it seems a bit unfair considering blacks are between 6 and 17 times as likely to be stopped in the first place. That doesn't sound very much like justice to me.

It is illegal in the UK. As it is not a major crime the first step upon getting caught breaking the law is to receive a caution - if you continue to break the law then you get charged.

Personally my solution would be to not break the law. Or at least if cautioned to stop repeatedly breaking the law. But what do I know, that's unreasonable apparently?

[Aimless]

I'm curious why Indians (not native Americans) have a lower incarceration rate then Hispanics. Everything the media tells me is that the only reason they are being arrested more is because of police and societal racism! It doesn't make sense!

This question is retarded for at least two reasons, the most important being your retarded conception of racism and negative discrimination that lumps all non-whites into the same category regardless of context. I don't if you do this because you're stupid, ignorant or just racist. Which is it? My bet is on all three.

[RandBlade]

This question is retarded for at least two reasons, the most important being your retarded conception of racism and negative discrimination that lumps all non-whites into the same category regardless of context. I don't if you do this because you're stupid, ignorant or just racist. Which is it? My bet is on all three.

No he makes a good point. Unless you think simultaneously that there is racism towards Hispanics but that there is no racism towards Indians etc (which I don't agree) then the entirely valid question he is asking what are the underlying reasons why there are differences? One possibility is targetted racism. Another possibility is that there are different levels of criminality and that is reflected. Or do you believe there are no different levels of criminality involved? Do you believe that solely targeted racism against one particular race is involved?

[Ominous Gamer]

A huge part of profiling is learning to overcome the cross-race effect. At least I'm assuming thats what Lewk is attempting here, claiming that mexicans and indians appear to similar to him.

Otherwise he is ignoring why racism is more predominant against certain groups, usually due to some social or historical event.

[Flixy]

It is illegal in the UK. As it is not a major crime the first step upon getting caught breaking the law is to receive a caution - if you continue to break the law then you get charged.

Personally my solution would be to not break the law. Or at least if cautioned to stop repeatedly breaking the law. But what do I know, that's unreasonable apparently?

That's not the unreasonable part, it's the fact that it's not enforced equally. As a white person you're roughly ten times less likely to be caught in the first place.

Though I do actually think it is unreasonable that possession for personal use is illegal in the first place, but that's besides the point here

The reality is that black Brits are 6 times more likely to break the law than are white Brits (at least as of 2000); this includes crimes the police isn't picky about investigating, like murder.

Ah, murder, that classic crime that is prevented by randomly searching people..

[Loki]

Are you going to explain how racism plays a key role in these statistics when a large portion of the police force in the minority areas are members of the same minorities? Are they racist against themselves?

[Lewkowski]

This question is retarded for at least two reasons, the most important being your retarded conception of racism and negative discrimination that lumps all non-whites into the same category regardless of context. I don't if you do this because you're stupid, ignorant or just racist. Which is it? My bet is on all three.

I used this example purposefully because if I used Asians as a minority example, people would say they look "white enough."

The reason why difference 'races' have different incarceration, arrest and conviction rates has everything to do with the cultural groups. People are generally color blind these days however cultural groups do exist. And there are better and worse cultures. Cultures that worship "thug life" or believe the system is stacked against them are more likely to commit crime. Has NOTHING to do with skin color or prejudicial police and everything to do with the dominant cultural in those communities.

[Flixy]

Why don't you explain the justice in blacks being about twice as likely to be charged for possession of marijuana or cocaine, while both have roughly the same percentage of marijuana use and whites are in fact far more likely to use cocaine?

[Aimless]

I used this example purposefully because if I used Asians as a minority example, people would say they look "white enough."

The reason why difference 'races' have different incarceration, arrest and conviction rates has everything to do with the cultural groups. People are generally color blind these days however cultural groups do exist. And there are better and worse cultures. Cultures that worship "thug life" or believe the system is stacked against them are more likely to commit crime. Has NOTHING to do with skin color or prejudicial police and everything to do with the dominant cultural in those communities.

No, you used that example because you don't know what you're talking about. If you'd mentioned "Asians" then people would have pointed out that they have other prejudices associated with them and experience racism in other ways. you may be unaware of the racism directed towards people with Oriental features but that speaks only towards your own ignorance. Similarly there are other prejudices that come into play when you're from India, provided you're not suspected of being eg. a Muslim from Pakistan or Bangladesh. If they're affected differently them that reflects the differences in specific prejudices, among other things. You might argue that the prejudices reflect some aspect of reality, but, let's face it: you believe that's a good argument because, as a Republican from Texas with an eastern European background, you're a bit of a racist.

[Aimless]

And the notion that "people are generally colorblind these days" belies an extraordinary lack of insight

[Ominous Gamer]

Fits surprisingly well considering he has already slammed other cultures for being different.

[Nessus]

I'm not sure what it is you meant, but cultures that glorify rape or call on fellow members to live off the work of other cultures certainly seem different from the one I was raised in, for example.