WTF is the GOP playing at? (Read: US Budget)

[Hazir]

So the GOP stands in the way of passing a budget, leaving 700,000 workers unpaid, governement offices and institutions on skeletal operation or shut down entirely, and the inability to raise the debt-ceiling with the potential to further damage the economy with cash fast running out, all due to a bit of political point-scoring and waah waah we lost on Obamacare?

Like a toddler throwing a tantrum because it isn't getting its way. Childishly pathetic.

The political logic of the GOP is fairly coherent actually; they want to push back the government. And in that light the ACA is a red line they don't want the US to cross because it has the makings of an entitlement program that nobody in the future will be able to abandon again. No matter how rickety a scheme they have made it.

The problems of course is that the Tea Party folks don't understand that by using unorthodox means to rein in government they may be pulling the rug from under the financial system of the entire world. And once that happens they may indeed find that government is a lot smaller than it used to be. They will also find that all Americans will be a lot poorer than they are today, with little hope for recovery as the world will never trust US investments like they are trusted today again.

[Timbuk2]

they want to push back the government. And in that light the ACA is a red line they don't want the US to cross

But that line has been crossed. Congress passed the ACA. The supreme court subsequently validated it.

That's why this is so exasperating. Their objections are pointless, the ship has already sailed. This isn't an exercise in revoking the ACA or even limiting its scope. This is purely an exercise of tit-for-tat political horseshit. And it hurts everybody, not just the Democrats.

The problems of course is that the Tea Party folks don't understand that by using unorthodox means to rein in government they may be pulling the rug from under the financial system of the entire world. And once that happens they may indeed find that government is a lot smaller than it used to be. They will also find that all Americans will be a lot poorer than they are today, with little hope for recovery as the world will never trust US investments like they are trusted today again.

Indeed.

[Hazir]

But that line has been crossed. Congress passed the ACA. The supreme court subsequently validated it.

That's why this is so exasperating. Their objections are pointless, the ship has already sailed. This isn't an exercise in revoking the ACA or even limiting its scope. This is purely an exercise of tit-for-tat political horseshit. And it hurts everybody, not just the Democrats.

Indeed.

You may have noticed that I also think the ACA ship has sailed. However, if you are willing to accept the fall-out, as the TP people clearly are, you can still try to sink it in sight of the harbor. Closing down government by the way is causing a nuisance I think, risking default of the US debt is criminally insane and in defiance of the Constitution they claim to uphold.

[Loki]

But that line has been crossed. Congress passed the ACA. The supreme court subsequently validated it.

That's why this is so exasperating. Their objections are pointless, the ship has already sailed. This isn't an exercise in revoking the ACA or even limiting its scope. This is purely an exercise of tit-for-tat political horseshit. And it hurts everybody, not just the Democrats.

The legality of the policy is irrelevant. The GOP wants to undo it because they object to it politically. Believe it or not, political parties are allowed to try to undo the acts of their predecessors. The problem that the GOP faces is not that Obamacare is legal, but that Obama is still in office (and that the Senate is controlled by Democrats). They have no political mechanism through which they can meet their objective. Instead, they're trying stupid gimmicks that will make everyone worse off.