You don't see a problem with allowing anyone who is legally carrying to bring their guns on a plane? Really? Is that what you honestly think?
You know, I'll take your word that generally speaking, concealed carrying people are more law abiding. But the bolded thing, that's simply wrong. The whole thing about mind altering substances is that, well, they alter your mind. Alcohol lubricates fights for a reason. Hint: it's not because it makes people more responsible. It raises testosterone levels, making people more aggressive. It makes you underestimate risks and consequences. Frankly, like with driving a car, the only responsible thing to do when drinking is not carrying. Because the problem is, drunk people will believe they are acting responsibly, while they aren't.
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Firstly, I routed the wisdom of people who were having this kind of guns everywhere mentality as a part daily life for... Well since there were guns. To put it more to the point we have forgotten the reality of having guns everywhere.
Secondly, people are a very unpredictable lot. Especially in large groups, and so are very hard to trust with deadly force. To be clear, I have no problem with responsible him ownership. But why can't you leave your rifle in the truck while you get a burrito?
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I honestly think that if the owners of a plane think they can secure the flight, keep passengers safe, and allow them to carry they should be able to. The homicide rates by individuals who are legally carrying firearms are such that I'd have very little concern knowing there are CCW holders on board the plane with me.
I think you are misunderstanding, or what is more likely is I wasn't doing a good job communicating my point. Behaving responsibly with a firearm means planning ahead, and that can mean leaving it at home if the situation dictates. Responsible gun ownership doesn't mean having it on you at all times, it means carrying it when you are capable of making good judgments. I hadn't intended to say that owning a gun somehow negates the effect of alcohol.You know, I'll take your word that generally speaking, concealed carrying people are more law abiding. But the bolded thing, that's simply wrong. The whole thing about mind altering substances is that, well, they alter your mind. Alcohol lubricates fights for a reason. Hint: it's not because it makes people more responsible. It raises testosterone levels, making people more aggressive. It makes you underestimate risks and consequences. Frankly, like with driving a car, the only responsible thing to do when drinking is not carrying. Because the problem is, drunk people will believe they are acting responsibly, while they aren't.
Wait, what? No. Alcohol inhibits testosterone secretion. 's why tanked guys have trouble getting it up.
Underestimating risks and consequences is a possible consequence. But the primary reason for not driving is because it always impairs coordination and reaction time, and the pickled brain can't detect the problem.It makes you underestimate risks and consequences. Frankly, like with driving a car, the only responsible thing to do when drinking is not carrying. Because the problem is, drunk people will believe they are acting responsibly, while they aren't.
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And you didn't understand my question about "property rights" vs "gun rights" and "state rights" to make laws. When Hazir mentioned open-carry guns in public places, and I asked about bringing guns into bars -- the gist was whose rights are trump. If a property owner can prohibit guns on their premises, does that mean frisking for concealed weapons is okay? And so on.
Your philosophy seems to put all the choices, decisions, responsibilities, and liabilities into a property-owner's lap....including bars. But you don't explain how the details would work in practice, let alone see how police or EMS would be impacted. Particularly with open-carry, because customers or employees would naturally call 911 when people wearing long guns show up at a place of business.
It sounds like you want all gun laws decided by states, and states would (ideally) let gun owners and property owners write those laws for "maximum liberties" of both. There are obvious problems and conflicts putting your philosophy into practice -- from crossing state lines to liability insurance to publicly-funded first responders. Even your private airplane scenario has loopholes, especially if a state has more stringent laws about guns entering their state.
Libertarianism, in the form of privatization, can't be the answer to everything under the sun....and it won't necessarily lead to more individual liberties or freedoms, either. Since you're the one who thinks it can -- you'll have to be more specific, and explain why interstate commerce wouldn't become a complete mess if folks had to check hundreds of local "gun policies" before doing anything.
They already have to check into local laws WRT gun ownership.
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Well it's not an interstate felony. But not complying with the laws of the state you're in at the time is certainly a felony (or lesser crime, as applicable) within that jurisdiction. Pennsylvania doesn't have to acknowledge (and in actual fact, doesn't give a rat's ass) whether you have all the proper permits to own a gun in Virginia, they'll still arrest you if you're not in compliance with Pennsylvania law. I remember a case being cited on here some years ago, a guy from. . . New Jersey, I think it was. He had just moved from somewhere out west, as I recall, had a pistol packed away in the possessions being moved, and was arrested and convicted for not being in compliance with New Jersey's rather strict gun control laws while he was still in the process of transferring possessions into the new residence.
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Differnt towns have ordinances as well.
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