No, I'll leave that to the reader. But I wouldn't blame people for thinking we're involved in another "undeclared" World War.Originally Posted by Loki
No, I'll leave that to the reader. But I wouldn't blame people for thinking we're involved in another "undeclared" World War.
I would. The very idea is asinine. If there was a world war going on, you sure as hell would know about it.
Hope is the denial of reality
Seems to me there IS a world war going on, and many people see it that way....but are reluctant to say so because officials have an incentive to make us think otherwise. Propaganda works in many ways. It's not better if it comes from the US.
Last edited by GGT; 08-09-2014 at 02:25 AM.
You mean, you think so, and people who don't agree, you just say they are reluctant to agree with you.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
Only people with the mental faculties of a senile ostrich.
Hope is the denial of reality
If it was world war 3 i definitely would not have left the army probably, and more people that I know would be dead...
Right, only idiots or ostriches are clueless.
Well, whether GGT would interpret something a certain way is always a bit of a question but certainly if there were a world war going on, most of the rest of us would know about it and would be nodding our heads and not expressing disagreement. That could be another standard to add to my list. If people seem skeptical of the idea something is a world war, then it isn't one. World Wars are pretty obvious things to most people.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
(to all 3 posts above)
Hope is the denial of reality
No offense intended Spenni, but you can't really post about military actions when you're active duty.
He's not. WTF.
Also, he is. He's just not allowed to give specific tactical information (given that he's not a high-ranking officer, I'm guessing he's not privy to strategic information).
Hope is the denial of reality
It's only "obvious" if you're using definitions from previous generations. I'm surprised to see "young people" stuff everything into strict categories.
Fine, then explain what's gong on in the middle east, Russia, and the EU too. "Most" people know something is going on in the international community, but can't put their finger on it.
I'd be glad if this whole mess didn't mean WWIII, but nothing convinces me that WWIII isn't already in progress.
And I'm especially interested in how you compare military service with national policy, with regards to VA debacles. Maybe it's not WWIII because we can't take care of WWII, Korean or Viet Nam veterans?
Last edited by GGT; 08-09-2014 at 03:28 AM.
Now that is what I call a stirring rebuttal.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
You keep saying this as though it is universally accepted. Do you actually believe that you know more about military directives than he does? If so, I'd love to see the specific article of the UCMJ that he is violating.
If Spenni is active duty military, serving time in combat zones, and posting on social media....then you can't really diss anyone who replies.
He may not have the "luxury" of questioning his bosses, but we civilians do.
Last edited by GGT; 08-09-2014 at 05:00 AM.
Well A. I'm not active anymore as of 3rd of August and B. Even if I was I can still post what I ever I want too as long as I don't give unit designations, call signs etc. I have the same right to free speech as the rest of you.
Edit: this site ain't exactly Facebook either...
Free speech only applies to people GGT agrees with.
Hope is the denial of reality
You may have been active duty at one time, but when you post after that, be prepared for all sorts of shit.
Are you a military leader or not ?
Last edited by GGT; 08-09-2014 at 05:50 AM.
Wait, Spenni is now posting military secrets? Awesome!
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Spenni probably has a better understanding of the rules and what he's allowed to say publicly than either of us do.
I was a Specialist... Which I have stated... and besides that where the hell are you going with this...
Nowhere fast, would be my guess.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
[QUOTE=GGT;155150]Fine, then explain what's gong on in the middle east, Russia, and the EU too. "Most" people know something is going on in the international community, but can't put their finger on it.[/qiote]
As I just said, if people can't seem to put their finger on what's going on, it's not a world war. World wars are massive and obvious undertakings.
And nothing will, that's the sad and inevitable result of presupposing your conclusion.I'd be glad if this whole mess didn't mean WWIII, but nothing convinces me that WWIII isn't already in progress.
GGT, are you ok?And I'm especially interested in how you compare military service with national policy, with regards to VA debacles. Maybe it's not WWIII because we can't take care of WWII, Korean or Viet Nam veterans?
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
The West's Reckless Rush Towards Warwith Russia
We're taking big risks for unclear reasons
by ChrisMartenson
Thursday, July31, 2014, 10:54 AM
For reasonsthat have no rational explanations at this time, the US and Europe haveembarked on a concerted program to demonize Putin, ostracize Russia, and bringthe world as close to a major conflict as it's been since the Cold War, a timehardly memorable to many in the current crop of our elected officials.
Within hoursof the MH-17 plane crash, the United States pinned the blame on Russiagenerally, and Putin particularly. The anti-Putin propaganda (and if there werea stronger term I'd use it) has been relentless and almost comicallyover-the-top (see image above, and those below).
The US and theUK in particular, are leading the charge. Indeed, the UK's Daily Mail managedto crank out an article on the MH-17 affair within just a few hours on the verysame day it occurred with this headline:
http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/8...rds-war-russiaThe blood onPutin's hands...
Jul 17, 2014
The world mayhave averted its gaze towards Israel and Gaza, but this week the rumblingwarfare in eastern Ukraine has been erupting into something growing daily moredangerous.
I was asking if you're a civilian now, or still active duty between assignments, and if/how that status affects your opinions?
Sure, I'm ok....just looking at things differently, apparently.Seems everyone is comparing "WWIII" to WWI or WWII, where countries picked sides, allies vs enemies, undertook massive and obvious actions in coordination, used 'conventional' rules of warfare, with distinct declarations for beginnings and victories, etc.
I'm suggesting that may be an outdated way to think of World War in the 21st century.
Today there are either civil wars, tribal wars, religious wars, military conflicts, and pockets of genocide or ethnic cleansing in so many countries today -- with other nations providing weaponry or military funding. Even the so-called 'nations at peace' are dragged into violent conflicts as participants via trade, commerce, banking.
In the age of globalism, I don't think it's sufficient to say there are non-active or secondary actors, especially since economic sanctions are used like a type of weapon (threatening a slow and protracted demise). Perhaps there's too much focus on nuclear weapons, military interventions, and official governmental Declarations of War?
If we add "Terrorism" to the mix, The World is at War. I can't think of any place that's immune, can you? You may not like to call it WWIII, so how should it be named?
Yeah, what kind of a weirdo thinks that a world war should be similar to other world wars.
Hope is the denial of reality
The kind of "weirdos" that didn't have access to global trade/banking/financing during previous world wars that they now enjoy and expect? Kuwait wasn't an important nation state in previous world wars, and neither was Qatar...but they are now.
Hope is the denial of reality
If you're using the Webster's Dictionary to define things....maybe you're not the political scientist or international diplomat we should be listening to?
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