Originally Posted by
wiggin
Plenty of states don't have control of their borders - landlocked nations are subject to the whims of their neighbors, and plenty of very sovereign nations have undergone blockades, legal or otherwise. Israel can't keep Gaza from becoming a state; they can just refuse to recognize it, for the aforementioned reasons. Not that I think it would change anything either way.
I fail to see how any of this solves any problems. Israel currently does talk to Hamas - oh, they maintain a fiction of not doing so, but they negotiate through intermediaries all the time. I don't see how making them a state would make bilateral negotiations with Hamas any more likely - certainly the US refuses to negotiate with plenty of sovereign states, and only works through intermediaries. I also don't think Hamas is any less accountable today than they would be in a recognized state, and I certainly don't see the world holding them to account in this hypothetical - was Egypt held to account for cross-border raids during the first 20 years of Israel's existence? What about Syrian shelling of Israeli communities? Jordanian-backed raids into central Israel? As far as I can tell, the only one 'holding them to account' is the Israeli military, and that won't change either way.
There's all sorts of logistical issues as well - currently the US/EU/etc. give money to the PA, which is then disbursed to their government employees to keep the territories running more or less. Yet the PA was evicted from Gaza in a coup 8 years ago, so I don't see how they're going to magically be able to iron out the funding and development issues.
I think you and RB have a fantasy that by being named a state, Hamas will suddenly start following international norms. I see no reason for them to do so, and all sorts of reasons to suspect they'd continue to behave as they have - except with increased support for violence from the Palestinian 'street', decreased leverage for peace at the negotiating table, a fatal blow to Fatah's standing, and ongoing violence. Do you honestly think the ICC will bring charges against Khaled Meshaal any time soon? Do you think it would matter if they did?
If they were uniformed members of a duly constituted military, sure. To be honest, though, Israel generally treats captured Hamas fighters following such protocols. Oh, they will charge them with crimes and jail them (which you wouldn't do to a POW) but they are by and large treated as POWs - though some would argue that the interrogation tactics and pressure used by Shabak border on illegal treatment of prisoners.
Of course, to achieve POW status you need to be a lawful combatant, and given that most Hamas members are merrily trying to kill Israeli civilians, their protected status goes out the window. To be honest, though, if Hamas started treating captured Israeli soldiers as POWs rather than as hostages, I suspect Israel would be happy to reciprocate.