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    I guess Americans got this crazy idea about democracy being the essence of a republic because they used the terms and can't concieve of a republic being anything else than their system of government.

    But I guess we Europeans have got to take a little bit of the blame for hanging on to old forms in what are basically are republics. Countries like the UK and The Netherlands may still have their Queens and Kings, but essentially those have long lost any serious government role. Our governments aren't headed by hereditary monarchs but by elected officials.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Are you claiming the Holy See and a block of cheese are republics?

    And since you're working so heavily on ontology, do you mind telling me what was Holy or Roman about the Hapsburg's Austria-based empire? Also, do you mind telling me when the US will be getting tax money from the other states in the Americas like Brazil and Canada?
    Do you see the people living in the Vatican participating in elections?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Are you claiming the Holy See and a block of cheese are republics?

    And since you're working so heavily on ontology, do you mind telling me what was Holy or Roman about the Hapsburg's Austria-based empire? Also, do you mind telling me when the US will be getting tax money from the other states in the Americas like Brazil and Canada?
    I've already addressed the name issue by saying that Democratic Republics of course aren't democratic. However they are republics.

    A block of cheese is not a country so no it isn't a republic, that's another prerequisite. The Holy See is a unique state. It doesn't have citizens outside the Church.
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    This is just another necessary vs. sufficient debate.
    Last edited by Aimless; 09-12-2018 at 10:17 AM.
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    Agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
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    As much of a fuck up Trump has been on several issues which should have been slam dunks, I'll always remember how wonderful the election night was. Liberal tears will always be hilarious.

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/...rump-election/

    Start around 13:15 or so... ROFL. Somehow I doubt there was a single person in that room that voted for Trump, Google like many Fortune 500 companies likes to champion diversity. How about some diversity of thought, eh?

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    Why do I get the feeling you'd be cheering on the streets of Germany in 1933?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    diversity of thought

    This is another one of those times were we are left wondering if lewk is so stupid that he didn't catch what he did, or if he did it on purpose because he is so god damn stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Why do I get the feeling you'd be cheering on the streets of Germany in 1933?
    Why would I be cheering for a government that took a harsh stance on gun ownership, was in favor of treating people different based on race and a leader who held disdain for capitalism?

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    Because you don't actually care about the issues. Your priority is making the other tribe cry. And what a better way to make libs cry than to elect Nazis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Why would I be cheering for a government that took a harsh stance on gun ownership, was in favor of treating people different based on race and a leader who held disdain for capitalism?
    Trump has 2 out of 3 of those.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Why do I get the feeling you'd be cheering on the streets of Germany in 1933?
    If he would, it would only be out of cowardice. Otherwise it would just be an inconvenience. Most people in Germany at the time at least learned to act as if they accepted the regime, and many no doubt rationalized their acceptance in various ways, so odds are pretty high that Lewk would have done the same unless he would've belonged to one of the persecuted groups. The same likely goes for most people here. Cheering on the streets? I dunno. Spreading disgusting propaganda and quietly appreciating, rationalizing or being nonchalant about utterly vile crimes? Now that I can see happening. He's just barely managed to avoid sharing modern equivalents of blood libel b/c of social pressure.
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    Fun Nazi Germany fact: gun laws weren't particularly harsh there, unless you were a Jew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Fun Nazi Germany fact: gun laws weren't particularly harsh there, unless you were a Jew.
    Or the Romani, the gays, their political opponents etc.

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    Interesting debate, defining terms like Democracy and Republic. Up next: Socialism!

    Loki, you do have a tough job in political science academia! If you have students like Lewk, do you grade them on a curve, or what?

    <Burying these topics in the "TRUMP 2016" thread is really unfortunate.>

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    This entire thread: https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1042041560999841795

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    In other news... "Toad" and "Mario Kart" are trending and everyone's childhood has been ruined for the third time this week.
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    Combine this with the half-assed declassifying of materials related to an ongoing investigation and Team Trump seems to be setting up for a weekend massacre.

    Hannity has already claimed that Trump plans to fire Mueller after Florence, so a lot of groups see firing Rosenstein as a red line.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    2 to 1 voters are learning to call the GOP on their bullshit.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...r-tax-cut-did/
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ons-un-1137481
    Always fun when Trump has to deal with the real world. A literal laughing stock at this point.
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    Can someone please confirm that the Kurdish reporter Trump called "Mr. Kurd" is actually named "Kurd" and that Trump was aware of this?
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    Jesus fucking Christ, what the actual fuck was up with that press conference?!
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    Trump's behavior towards female reporters yesterday. You know what kind of loathsome misogynists are excited by that kind of stuff. It's just so pathetic because the only reason he gets away with it is his unearned station.
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    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    Also, I've asked the moderators to close this thread, because it's too rich with topics that can't be discussed/debated or followed very well.
    I'm not going to close the thread, but she does have a point. This megathread is a bit crowded and hard to follow. Maybe we can start creating new threads for topics?

    edit: I'm also happy to help split out threads. If anyone wants this, it'd be helpful to point me to the starting post in the conversation you want split out.
    Last edited by Wraith; 10-03-2018 at 06:54 PM.

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    The Kavanaugh scandal seems like a natural subject to split off into a separate thread (eg. merged with GGT's thread if that's okay with her).
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    Truth serves them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Trump is Hitler reincarnated in the USA. Now that this thread has been officially Godwin'd it is time to start new threads to catalog the journey. Too much info for one thread. The wall...does Trump know the history of the greatest wall on earth? Censure...does he know the history of its use by governments? Those are just two of many I can think of. Moderator please close this thread so we can move on to more important and pointed ones. It is 2017 after all and this thread was about 2016.
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