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  1. #4921
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Did he not even read the resignation letter?
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

  2. #4922
    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Did he not even read the resignation letter?
    He's just a bit of a butthead:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-policy-errors
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  3. #4923
    Another shutdown. Hundreds of thousands of govt employees—including low-wage workers such as janitors & cleaners—lose money while a bunch of incompetent slackers trot off to their fab homes to participate in a days-long orgy of food waste and misspent wealth. Republicans control govt but still can't do their jobs. Frankly, their salaries should be docked as well (but, of course, it won't be).
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  4. #4924
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Another shutdown. Hundreds of thousands of govt employees—including low-wage workers such as janitors & cleaners—lose money while a bunch of incompetent slackers trot off to their fab homes to participate in a days-long orgy of food waste and misspent wealth. Republicans control govt but still can't do their jobs. Frankly, their salaries should be docked as well (but, of course, it won't be).
    Republicans suck at governing. Pretty stupid to force a shutdown that's supposedly about national security, then expect CBP and TSA to work without pay.

    Trump's demand for $5 Billion dedicated to the Trump Wall is just another con-game, but "his base" and the House fell for it anyway, with help from Trump TV.

  5. #4925
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Another shutdown. Hundreds of thousands of govt employees—including low-wage workers such as janitors & cleaners—lose money while a bunch of incompetent slackers trot off to their fab homes to participate in a days-long orgy of food waste and misspent wealth. Republicans control govt but still can't do their jobs. Frankly, their salaries should be docked as well (but, of course, it won't be).
    They'll get back pay once the shutdown ends. The main problem (for government employees) will be for people living paycheck to paycheck, who'll have to go without a paycheck for a week.
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  6. #4926
    or maybe a month, or two months, or who knows how long.

  7. #4927
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    They'll get back pay once the shutdown ends. The main problem (for government employees) will be for people living paycheck to paycheck, who'll have to go without a paycheck for a week.
    Not all government employees are well-to-do salaried paper bureaucrats, and this will also hit employees of contractors.
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  8. #4928
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/...s-in-iraq.html

    Starting think it's not possible for this idiot to not fuck up everything he touches.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  9. #4929
    https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-...-1418337859698

    We are pushing 2 weeks of being in a partial shutdown so that Trump can break yet another campaign promise
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  10. #4930
    It's almost like making a campaign pledge out of something that is not actually in the gift of the office you're seeking to deliver is a bad idea.

    Also looking at you, Leavers.
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  11. #4931
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's almost like making a campaign pledge out of something that is not actually in the gift of the office you're seeking to deliver is a bad idea.

    Also looking at you, Leavers.
    Actually, it often is a good idea in elected office. It lets you spread the blame for failure around when running for reelection.
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  12. #4932
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's almost like making a campaign pledge out of something that is not actually in the gift of the office you're seeking to deliver is a bad idea.

    Also looking at you, Leavers.
    It's a bad idea if you believe delivering on your promises is good or necessary. It's a great idea if you just want to win a vote and then not be held accountable for failure to deliver. Looking at both trump and brexit, what supporters appear to want is an acknowledgement of their feelings of resentment and unrecognized worth, and other emotional benefits; delivering on substantial policy issues is optional (occasionally disadvantageous). Everything bad is always everyone else's fault.
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    I was reminded of Juncker's words about this recently. He said (iirc) :"We know what we need to do. We just don't know how to be re-elected after doing it."
    Congratulations America

  14. #4934
    I don't agree with these takes, Trump (and to a lesser extent Brexiters) made it part of what they were selling that they'd be able to get these other parties to do what they want, so not only do they have no control over whether their pledge gets delivered, they're on the hook for it even if the outside part is unreasonable on intransigent (not that I think the EU or Mexico are being those things, but hypothetically)
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    His fanbase doesn't care as long as he makes liberals cry.
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  16. #4936
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    I don't agree with these takes, Trump (and to a lesser extent Brexiters) made it part of what they were selling that they'd be able to get these other parties to do what they want, so not only do they have no control over whether their pledge gets delivered, they're on the hook for it even if the outside part is unreasonable on intransigent (not that I think the EU or Mexico are being those things, but hypothetically)
    Under normal circumstances, with normal voters, failure to deliver can be punished. Core trump support does not appear to be normal in the same sense that eg. you are normal. Despite his unimpressive favorability ratings, Trump enjoys widespread support among his voters far stronger than one would expect given his failures. Recall the takes about taking Trump literally vs. taking him seriously first of all—whether it's about telling the truth or about successfully implementing policy, many of his supporters do not take him literally. In addition to this, the entire GOP-media machine has gone all in on pushing a narrative of liberal/Democrat/jewish/globalist obstruction, where failure to implement policy is described as a consequence of unfair, irrational and nefarious enemy action.

    This is similar to how increasingly delusional Pro-Brexit supporters have variously blamed Ireland, Germany, France, the EU, specific EU officials, businesses large and small in the UK and elsewhere, Labour, traitorous conservative MPs, lying experts, Theresa May, literally everyone and everything but themselves and reality. Many people will be very upset by the Brexiters' failure to deliver a good brexit with all the tasty toppings that were promised, but how many MPs do you think will fail to be re-elected irrespective of the outcome of the current negotiations or the reasons for failure? Most MPs are acting as if they believe their future success actually rests on promising brexit and then failing.
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  17. #4937
    Case in point:

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  18. #4938
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    I don't agree with these takes, Trump (and to a lesser extent Brexiters) made it part of what they were selling that they'd be able to get these other parties to do what they want, so not only do they have no control over whether their pledge gets delivered, they're on the hook for it even if the outside part is unreasonable on intransigent (not that I think the EU or Mexico are being those things, but hypothetically)
    I won't speak about the situation in the UK but he'll be given a pass on not being able to make other parties do what he wanted, because it's recognized as something that's intrinsically hard to do and because "well, he was hamstrung internally and wasn't "'allowed' to bring enough pressure to bear." It's not like the we in the opposition can try and make his failure there a talking point because we were adamantly against it in the first place ourselves. So it just falls out of the narrative and doesn't matter. Most of those on his side who might have still blamed him despite those factors will forgive him because he's still struck more visible "blows" against those "dirty furriners" than any other President in living memory.
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  19. #4939
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/trum...umer-says.html

    800,000 employees are expecting checks on the 11th. SNAP closes up at the end of the month, same with the tariff connected farmer bailout, and tax return checks are expected within 6 weeks. Keeping the government closed for months would be straight insanity.

    So who breaks first: the stooge McConnell and congress rolls along with a veto override, or Trump?
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  20. #4940
    Trump can't not have the wall built, it was his central campaign promise. The Democrats know this and so they'll hold the country hostage over a measly $5 billion in the hopes Trump gives in which leads to his base abandoning him.

  21. #4941
    Funny how $5 billion becomes measly when there's a Republican president.
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  22. #4942
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Trump can't not have the wall built, it was his central campaign promise. The Democrats know this and so they'll hold the country hostage over a measly $5 billion in the hopes Trump gives in which leads to his base abandoning him.
    This is bullshit and you know it. His base doesn't give a shit about his positions, personal failings, or general ineptitude, as long as he makes the liberals cry. If they aren't going to abandon him over who is paying for it, they aren't going to abandon him over it not getting done. They'll act like you do; say something racist and irrelevant and blame someone else.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  23. #4943
    Pfft. His "base" already knows he's built a magnificent invisible steel wall with all the money Mexico paid through the USMCA
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  24. #4944
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Funny how $5 billion becomes measly when there's a Republican president.
    If the wall even stops 1% of migration it will pay for itself in 10 years.

  25. #4945
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    If the wall even stops 1% of migration it will pay for itself in 10 years.
    87.6% of statistics are made up on the spot. Like that one.

    You do remember that this "5 billion" isn't going to build a wall or do anything to limit illegal migration in the slightest, right? It's for exploratory studies as to the possibilities for barriers of some kind along maybe 200 miles of the 1700 mile border with Mexico, along with some deferred maintenance on existing fencing in that area. It's not border security, it's straight construction pork for his cronies.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  26. #4946
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    87.6% of statistics are made up on the spot. Like that one.

    You do remember that this "5 billion" isn't going to build a wall or do anything to limit illegal migration in the slightest, right? It's for exploratory studies as to the possibilities for barriers of some kind along maybe 200 miles of the 1700 mile border with Mexico, along with some deferred maintenance on existing fencing in that area. It's not border security, it's straight construction pork for his cronies.
    The wall's psychological factor is probably a bigger benefit than the physical barrier, though the physical barrier will be helpful. Also part of the wall is already being constructed as we speak.

    Granted forceful removal of a kidney as a first offense for crossing illegally would be even more effective but you can't always get what ya want.

  27. #4947
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    If the wall even stops 1% of migration it will pay for itself in 10 years.
    Considering that the cost of illegal immigration is in the low billions, cutting that by 1% would mean saving tens of millions. That times ten < $5 billion. Not that math or facts matter anymore.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  28. #4948
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Trump can't not have the wall built, it was his central campaign promise. The Democrats know this and so they'll hold the country hostage over a measly $5 billion in the hopes Trump gives in which leads to his base abandoning him.
    Yes but his central campaign also promised where the funds of building the wall was going to come from and it wasn't Congress. So why should Congress fund it when Trump pledged that Mexico will fund it?
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  29. #4949
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Yes but his central campaign also promised where the funds of building the wall was going to come from and it wasn't Congress. So why should Congress fund it when Trump pledged that Mexico will fund it?
    Oh come on. Did you also believe Trump when he said "the wall just got 10 feet higher" after someone in Mexico made a statement about it?

  30. #4950
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Considering that the cost of illegal immigration is in the low billions, cutting that by 1% would mean saving tens of millions. That times ten < $5 billion. Not that math or facts matter anymore.
    False. The cost is significantly higher.

    1. Enforcement of the border via the salaries and equipment of the border patrol.
    2. The detainment of illegal aliens caught, operating budget of ICE
    3. Medicaid
    4. Cost of educating illegals in American public schools
    5. Cost of the deaths illegals cause (drunk driving, murder)
    6. Cost of additional crime that illegals cause (theft, property damage etc)
    7. Identify theft and fraud around illegal immigration
    8. Impact to ERs and hospitals of illegals who can't pay

    http://www.irli.org/single-post/2017...hoCN8MQAvD_BwE

    Another potential impact is remittance payments that prop up other countries economy at the expense of ours. Average citizen is going to purchase most goods and services locally. However the illegal alien sending money back to Mexico or Central America would use a smaller % on that.

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