TRUMP 2016

[Aimless]

Which politicians did Trump "buy" that did things for him they would have fiercely resisted doing if he hadn't given them money? What laws did he buy? Which contracts? I have no doubt giving lots of money to politicians can be beneficial to those who do so, but it is kinda dumb to pretend that that is the same as buying someone

[Loki]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0923c12bd079c Rand, still don't think he's a sexist pig?

[RandBlade]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0923c12bd079c Rand, still don't think he's a sexist pig?

Never said he's not a sexist pig. I said attacking a woman doesn't by itself make you a sexist pig.

Two of the four candidates to be Labour party leader are female. Oddly enough they are the two I think would be the least-worst potential leaders Labour are offering but if either of them win then she'd be the only non-male major party leader in England and I'd dislike them. Not because she's female, but because she's Labour. The SNP's new leader is female, the only female major party leader in the UK and I dislike her. Not because she's female but because she's a shit-stirring, extreme, far-left, bandwagon-jumping, flip-flopping, hypocritical Nationalist extremist. Her gender plays no role in it.

[Lewkowski]

Never said he's not a sexist pig. I said attacking a woman doesn't by itself make you a sexist pig.

Two of the four candidates to be Labour party leader are female. Oddly enough they are the two I think would be the least-worst potential leaders Labour are offering but if either of them win then she'd be the only non-male major party leader in England and I'd dislike them. Not because she's female, but because she's Labour. The SNP's new leader is female, the only female major party leader in the UK and I dislike her. Not because she's female but because she's a shit-stirring, extreme, far-left, bandwagon-jumping, flip-flopping, hypocritical Nationalist extremist. Her gender plays no role in it.

In the eyes of a liberal if you call a woman a fat pig you're a sexist asshole.

In the eyes of a liberal there is nothing wrong with calling Chris Christie a fat pig you're just stating the truth.

Liberals love double standards.

[littlelolligagged]

He's a disgusting sexist pig - and the Republican base won't give a shit.

[Lewkowski]

He's a disgusting sexist pig - and the Republican base won't give a shit.

There is a huge list of reasons Trump is awful. Let's start with:

"In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat." Direct quote from Trump. Trump is a pathetic joke and the faster reality comes crashing back down the better. This actually happens quite a bit in the early part of the the Primary season. Remember Howard Dean?

[Loki]

He's not supported by the Republican base. Note Trump's attack against Fox News. And his unwillingness to write off an independent run. He's supported by token Republicans who actually hate the party (more so than even the Tea Partyers).

[littlelolligagged]

Right, and those outliers are enough to make him win national polls (granted, everything I have read says their polling practices are shoddy).

Still, you forget, the base is not woman-friendly at all. Binders of women. Waste half a billion on women's health.

[Lewkowski]

Right, and those outliers are enough to make him win national polls (granted, everything I have read says their polling practices are shoddy).

Still, you forget, the base is not woman-friendly at all. Binders of women. Waste half a billion on women's health.

Considering some people kill the babies in the womb when they learn the gender is female you have to wonder which party does more to help women.

That being said its clear that liberals are often in support of bad policies that do favor females over males (example sports). So I guess if you think "treating people equally" is "not woman-friendly" and "giving bias to women" = 'woman friendly' then you might have a point.

[Aimless]

Considering some people kill the babies in the womb when they learn the gender is female you have to wonder which party does more to help women.

That being said its clear that liberals are often in support of bad policies that do favor females over males (example sports). So I guess if you think "treating people equally" is "not woman-friendly" and "giving bias to women" = 'woman friendly' then you might have a point.

Another dumbdumb post. Just so much facepalm

[Loki]

Right, and those outliers are enough to make him win national polls (granted, everything I have read says their polling practices are shoddy).

Still, you forget, the base is not woman-friendly at all. Binders of women. Waste half a billion on women's health.

Yes, those are the same people who voted for Perot. Only 68% of Republicans have a positive view of the Republican Party. Incidentally, about a fifth of Trump's support comes from Democrats. He gets the angry white male crowd, particularly those who think they've been hurt by trade and those who are racist. They have no one else to support from the GOP field. The grassroots favorites are Rubio and Walker (by a large margin). Cruz is the Tea Party darling. Bush is supported by the establishment. The libertarians support Paul (note how Paul lost most of his anti-establishment support to Trump, retaining only the libertarian hardcore). The evangelicals like Cruz, Huckabee, and to a lesser extent, Walker. Silicon Valley probably supports Fiorina. So who does that leave for Trump?

Throwing my name around is a lame and tiresome way to avoid answering the real questions, or addressing the real problems.

The problem, according to you, is that we're a democracy. If a substantial portion of Americans support Trump, it's downright stupid to not give him a seat at the debate.

[GGT]

Yes, those are the same people who voted for Perot. Only 68% of Republicans have a positive view of the Republican Party. Incidentally, about a fifth of Trump's support comes from Democrats. He gets the angry white male crowd, particularly those who think they've been hurt by trade and those who are racist. They have no one else to support from the GOP field. The grassroots favorites are Rubio and Walker (by a large margin). Cruz is the Tea Party darling. Bush is supported by the establishment. The libertarians support Paul (note how Paul lost most of his anti-establishment support to Trump, retaining only the libertarian hardcore). The evangelicals like Cruz, Huckabee, and to a lesser extent, Walker. Silicon Valley probably supports Fiorina. So who does that leave for Trump?

The problem, according to you, is that we're a democracy. If a substantial portion of Americans support Trump, it's downright stupid to not give him a seat at the debate.

No, the "problem" is that our representative democracy has been infected by monied interests (special interest groups, paid lobbyists, powerful industries) to the point that our two-party political process dominates, but isn't working.

I'm not affiliated, or registered, with any political party. That means I can't vote in any closed state primary that makes political party membership paramount. It's crazy to think my vote doesn't matter unless I declare myself a (R) or (D) first.

[littlelolligagged]

Sports is the example you use, seriously?

I don't think I see any need to engage with you again - if one of the other conservatives we have around wants to take it up, I'll play.

[littlelolligagged]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...uation-comment

It's interesting to me to see where the lines are drawn.

[Aimless]

I thought it was a natural consequence of your electoral system

[agamemnus]

Why didn't you make this a poll?

[LittleFuzzy]

Why would this be a poll?

[Aimless]

Wraithy, can you edit the OP to include a poll asking whether or not the thread should be a poll??

[littlelolligagged]

Wraithy, can you edit the OP to include a poll asking whether or not the thread should be a poll??

There should first be a poll to ask if there should be a poll to ask if the thread should be a poll. You're moving too fast.

[earthJoker]

A poll for what?

[Being]

Wraithy, can you edit the OP to include a poll asking whether or not the thread should be a poll??

Please, don't mess up my thread.

[Steely Glint]

No polls

[Wraith]

Look man, we gotta go with what the majority wants. If the majority of users here want there to be a poll asking if we should convert this thread into a poll asking if it should have been a poll, then that's what we should do. Of course, I'm not really sure if the majority wants that. We should create a poll to find out.

[Aimless]

Is this Pollception?

[Being]

Thread starter always wields 51% of the vote. So...no poll about anything to do with a poll on a poll about a poll unless an external poll reveals the necessity for a poll.

[Aimless]

Thread starter always wields 51% of the vote.

This has yet to be established...

[RandBlade]

This has yet to be established...

So we need to have a poll to determine if the thread starter carries most of the vote on whether there should be a poll asking if we should convert this thread into a poll, asking if it should have been a poll.

[Steely Glint]

I demand a poll where we vote on that there should be no more polls.

[Aimless]

Steely, I think that will lead us into petition territory...

[Steely Glint]

i demand