Page 45 of 171 FirstFirst ... 3543444546475595145 ... LastLast
Results 1,321 to 1,350 of 5128

Thread: TRUMP 2016

  1. #1321
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Especially when so many Treaties have an exit clause built in even if it's never expected to be used. Like NAFTA Article 2205.
    NAFTA is an executive agreement rather than a treaty. Explicitly invoking an exit clause as it is intended is different from reneging on your treaty obligations out of convenience. The former is like getting a divorce. The latter is like fucking around without your partner's approval or consent and then expecting to come home to a clean house and a cooked dinner with boning afterwards. What some Republicans are doing is more like refusing to have carnal relations with one's partner because they've morphed into a wrinkly, orange-haired racist shithead overnight. They probably had something to do with it, but I can't exactly hold it against them.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  2. #1322
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You mean like signing and reneging on Kyoto? America would never do something like that.

    Fair enough that wasn't fully ratified but the principles weren't very different. Especially when so many Treaties have an exit clause built in even if it's never expected to be used. Like NAFTA Article 2205.
    What are you talking about? The US never ratified Kyoto; it didn't renege on it. That would require ratification and then not following through.

    Exit clauses exist (in many, though far from all) treaties precisely to allow countries a legal way to exit. There's usually a notification period to allow other parties to prepare for that exit. How any person can conflate giving notice and then leaving with leaving illegally is beyond me.

    Lastly, a change in one's situation is not sufficient to abrogate a treaty. This rebus sic stantibus doctrine is not recognized by the courts under nearly any circumstances. The dominant doctrine is instead pacta sunt servants, which doesn't allow for unilateral abrogation.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  3. #1323
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Amsterdam/Istanbul
    Posts
    12,313
    There is more to treaties than merely observing them once they are ratified. Part of the process is that the signing parties after the signing actually make the effort to ratify whatever is agreed. The USA didn't do that for Kyoto and made it clear it had no intentions of doing so (for the obvious reason that the senate would have voted it down anyway).
    The fact that the US adminstration renaged on attempts to ratify did have a negative effect on the trustworthiness of the USA in international negotiations.

    @aimless; any agreement between two or more countries is a treaty.
    Congratulations America

  4. #1324
    Would another 95-0 vote made a difference? There is no standard for what "trying to ratify" actually means.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  5. #1325
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  6. #1326
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    If his tax return is really 12,000 pages long then the IRS seriously needs reforming ...

    I think the HuffPo editor may not be 100% impartial this year ... [/I]
    I just realized they've been doing this since January. This is the kind of childish cry-wolf that makes people distrust media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    NAFTA is an executive agreement rather than a treaty.
    Meh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    That site is popup city. Oddly enough I can't find the video, just two sites referencing it.

  7. #1327
    Congressional executive agreement. It didn't pass by a 2/3 majority in the Senate. I had to dig quite a bit to find the rationalization for it.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  8. #1328
    This is an interesting read. I find it mind-boggling how much support Trump has sustained after he has repeatedly and blatantly demonstrated severe ignorance and lack of personal and professional integrity, and an overall vile character.

    Side note - I think it's interesting that brain scans can predict whether someone is conservative or not. It would explain a lot if conservative tendencies, and their progressive opposite, are actually driven in part by genetic factors. I suppose it doesn't have to be genetic - it could be cognitive differences originating from individual experience, like a terrible fright while growing up...

    A neuroscientist explains what may be wrong with Trump supporters’ brains

    There’s no doubt that Donald Trump has said many things that would have been political suicide for any other Republican candidate. And almost every time he made one of these shocking statements, political analysts on both the left and the right predicted that he’d lose supporters because of it. But as we have clearly seen over the past year, they were dead wrong every time. Trump appears to be almost totally bulletproof.

    The only thing that might be more perplexing than the psychology of Donald Trump is the psychology of his supporters. In their eyes, The Donald can do no wrong. Even Trump himself seems to be astonished by this phenomenon. “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK? It’s, like, incredible.”

    Senator John McCain, who has been a regular target for Trump during his campaign, has a simple explanation for his unwavering support. “What he did was he fired up the crazies.”

    While the former Republican presidential nominee may be on to something, he doesn’t exactly provide a very satisfying scientific explanation. So how exactly are Trump loyalists psychologically or neurologically different from everyone else? What is going on in their brains that makes them so blindly devoted?


    The Dunning-Kruger Effect:
    Some believe that many of those who support Donald Trump do so because of ignorance — basically they are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

    The seemingly obvious solution would be to try to reach those people through political ads, expert opinions, and logical arguments that educate with facts. Except none of those things seem to be swaying any Trump supporters from his side, despite great efforts to deliver this information to them directly.

    The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed. This creates a double burden.

    Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” Essentially, they’re not smart enough to realize they’re dumb.

    And if one is under the illusion that they have sufficient or even superior knowledge, then they have no reason to defer to anyone else’s judgment. This helps explain why even nonpartisan experts — like military generals and Independent former Mayor of New York/billionaire CEO Michael Bloomberg — as well as some respected Republican politicians, don’t seem to be able to say anything that can change the minds of loyal Trump followers.

    Out of immense frustration, some of us may feel the urge to shake a Trump supporter and say, “Hey! Don’t you realize that he’s an idiot?!” No. They don’t. That may be hard to fathom, but that’s the nature of the Dunning-Kruger effect — one’s ignorance is completely invisible to them.


    Hypersensitivity to Threat

    Science has unequivocally shown that the conservative brain has an exaggerated fear response when faced with stimuli that may be perceived as threatening. A classic study in the journal Science found that conservatives have a stronger physiological reaction to startling noises and graphic images compared to liberals. A brain-imaging study published in Current Biology revealed that those who lean right politically tend to have a larger amygdala — a structure that is electrically active during states of fear and anxiety. And a 2014 fMRI study found that it is possible to predict whether someone is a liberal or conservative simply by looking at their brain activity while they view threatening or disgusting images, such as mutilated bodies. Specifically, the brains of self-identified conservatives generated more activity overall in response to the disturbing images.

    So how does this help explain the unbridled loyalty of Trump supporters? These brain responses are automatic, and not influenced by logic or reason. As long as Trump continues his fear mongering by constantly portraying Muslims and Mexican immigrants as imminent dangers, many conservative brains will involuntarily light up like light bulbs being controlled by a switch. Fear keeps his followers energized and focused on safety. And when you think you’ve found your protector, you become less concerned with remarks that would normally be seen as highly offensive.


    Terror Management Theory

    A well-supported theory from social psychology, called Terror Management Theory, explains why Trump’s fear mongering is doubly effective.

    The theory is based on the fact that humans have a unique awareness of their own mortality. The inevitably of one’s death creates existential terror and anxiety that is always residing below the surface. In order to manage this terror, humans adopt cultural worldviews — like religions, political ideologies, and national identities — that act as a buffer by instilling life with meaning and value.

    Terror Management Theory predicts that when people are reminded of their own mortality, which happens with fear mongering, they will more strongly defend those who share their worldviews and national or ethnic identity, and act out more aggressively towards those who do not. Hundreds of studies have confirmed this hypothesis, and some have specifically shown that triggering thoughts of death tends to shift people towards the right.

    Not only do death reminders increase nationalism, they influence actual voting habits in favor of more conservative presidential candidates. And more disturbingly, in a study with American students, scientists found that making mortality salient increased support for extreme military interventions by American forces that could kill thousands of civilians overseas. Interestingly, the effect was present only in conservatives, which can likely be attributed to their heightened fear response.

    By constantly emphasizing existential threat, Trump creates a psychological condition that makes the brain respond positively rather than negatively to bigoted statements and divisive rhetoric. Liberals and Independents who have been puzzled over why Trump hasn’t lost supporters after such highly offensive comments need look no further than Terror Management Theory.


    High Attentional Engagement

    According to a recent study that monitored brain activity while participants watched 40 minutes of political ads and debate clips from the presidential candidates, Donald Trump is unique in his ability to keep the brain engaged. While Hillary Clinton could only hold attention for so long, Trump kept both attention and emotional arousal high throughout the viewing session. This pattern of activity was seen even when Trump made remarks that individuals didn’t necessarily agree with. His showmanship and simple messages clearly resonate at a visceral level.

    Essentially, the loyalty of Trump supporters may in part be explained by America’s addiction with entertainment and reality TV. To some, it doesn’t matter what Trump actually says because he’s so amusing to watch. With Donald, you are always left wondering what outrageous thing he is going to say or do next. He keeps us on the edge of our seat, and for that reason, some Trump supporters will forgive anything he says. They are happy as long as they are kept entertained.

    Of course these explanations do not apply to all Trump supporters. In fact, some are likely intelligent people who know better, but are supporting Trump to be rebellious or to introduce chaos into the system. They may have such distaste for the establishment and Hillary Clinton that their vote for Trump is a symbolic middle finger directed at Washington.

    So what can we do to potentially change the minds of Trump loyalists before voting day in November? As a cognitive neuroscientist, it grieves me to say that there may be nothing we can do. The overwhelming majority of these people may be beyond reach, at least in the short term. The best we can do is to motivate everyone else to get out to the booths and check the box that doesn’t belong to a narcissistic nationalist who has the potential to damage the nation beyond repair.
    Link: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/a-ne...porters-brains
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

  9. #1329

  10. #1330
    Good. I would rather the sane people in America be scared shitless that Trump might win than growing complacent and possibly not vote if it's raining or cold on election day. Trump supporters may actually be working against their cause in this respect.
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

  11. #1331
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Good. I would rather the sane people in America be scared shitless that Trump might win than growing complacent and possibly not vote if it's raining or cold on election day. Trump supporters may actually be working against their cause in this respect.
    Still Clinton's to lose but it would be quite amusing if something like cold weather tipped it enough in some of those rust belt states to Trump and the liberals all have mental breakdowns. It is so unlikely but all those delicious tears would make the lack of a real conservative winning almost worthwhile.

  12. #1332
    Yeah, seeing your enemies cry is far is almost as important as the well-being of your country.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  13. #1333
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Yeah, seeing your enemies cry is far is almost as important as the well-being of your country.
    I'm not convinced he would be worse than Hillary. We are electing a president not a dictator he can't just pass laws he wants. Meanwhile we do know that the current Republicans have no problem with continuing to fund the government without any real plan to deal with the debt, immigration and onerous over regulation. Trump is an egotistical shit with a temper problem. Hillary is one of the most corrupt politicians that exist with a strong desire to see government grow even larger. I'll take the egomaniac with the bad hair over Clinton. Supreme Court justices also concern me. I know I won't like Hillary's, I *might* like Trumps. Even so I can't bring myself to vote for him but I'll be hoping that Clinton loses just to see all the liberals being triggered nonstop for 4 years.

  14. #1334
    I love how the same people can accuse Obama of executive overreach and then pretend that Trump will be more restrained.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  15. #1335
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I love how the same people can accuse Obama of executive overreach and then pretend that Trump will be more restrained.
    Obama's been slapped down by the courts. its how our society works. You should absolutely bash him for executive overreach but its not like there are no remedies when he does it. Trump may actually do the same thing and he should be bashed for it. The courts are still going to be there.

  16. #1336
    Read about FDR. Then tell me how effective courts are when they're facing someone willing to ignore them. You seem to forget that the courts have no way to implement their rulings. They rely on the executive branch. What happens if President Trump starts ignoring the Supreme Court? Is Congress going to impeach him? Are you willing to stake your liberty on that?
    Hope is the denial of reality

  17. #1337
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Read about FDR. Then tell me how effective courts are when they're facing someone willing to ignore them. You seem to forget that the courts have no way to implement their rulings. They rely on the executive branch. What happens if President Trump starts ignoring the Supreme Court? Is Congress going to impeach him? Are you willing to stake your liberty on that?
    Funny you mention liberty and then back the Democrats who are the party that supports restrictions on free speech and basic economic enterprise.

  18. #1338
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    liberals
    *tick*

    That's 4.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

  19. #1339
    Lewk <3 Trump

    I called it
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  20. #1340
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    What happens if President Trump starts ignoring the Supreme Court? Is Congress going to impeach him?
    and you just made every ass backwards conservative droll a little bit picturing a 10 year Pence presidency.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  21. #1341
    Can't be worse than an 8 year Trump one surely?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  22. #1342
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Can't be worse than an 8 year Trump one surely?
    Pence is everything Trump claims to be and worse but the scary thing is that he has the political experience/corruption to make shit happen and advance the crazy Tea Party line.

    I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Trump leaves office after 2 years and a day in some awful fashion just so the GOP can trojan horse Pence into it.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  23. #1343
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37506311

    Seriously? Even Trump can name Putin.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  24. #1344
    Though I doubt he would.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  25. #1345
    Senior Member Flixy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Posts
    6,435
    He has on multiple occasions IIRC, he definitely praises him frequently. Why do you doubt he would?


    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/po...-putin-quotes/

    Dec. 18, 2015: Trump defends against allegations Putin has ordered the killings of journalists
    "He's running his country and at least he's a leader, unlike what we have in this country," Trump said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "I think our country does plenty of killing also."
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

  26. #1346
    I can't for the life of me understand how any American voter can take this man seriously.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  27. #1347
    It's just a joke that we all took a bit too far, but some people still aren't letting go.

  28. #1348
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    and you just made every ass backwards conservative droll a little bit picturing a 10 year Pence presidency.
    How do you know that wasn't the goal the entire time.

  29. #1349
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37506311

    Seriously? Even Trump can name Putin.
    Sadly there are actually very few world leaders who support libertarian politicians - the question is harder than it seems.

  30. #1350
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Lewk <3 Trump

    I called it
    Yeah I don't love Trump. He killed the chances of having a real conservative take the White House. He used government like a bludgeon when he was a businessman and is personally obnoxious. That being said his greatest strength is that he isn't Hillary Clinton.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •