2012.
2012.
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That doesn't make sense Obama won the popular vote significantly in 2012. The messages mirror what many on the left said about 2000.Originally Posted by Loki
It doesn't make sense, no. However, this is what his supporters are talking about, and they're talking about Obama. Many believe he lost the popular vote. Others believe that the election must have been rigged because they think that he was losing the popular vote in all the polls leading up to the election. They occasionally also reference the 2000 election in support of the claim that the system is rigged--which either shows that they're genuinely mad about having an electoral system where the winner of the popular vote loses the election, or shows that many of them really are anti-establishment rather than simply "right-wing".
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Also legislators in our partisan electoral system rarely have a choice but to endorse their candidate publicly (or STFU) for self preservation. Trump will be a footnote in history in a few weeks whereas they have their careers to worry about.
Planting the seed of revolt, one Tweet at a time.
If Trump loses this election, he'll contest it, and after he fails (assuming no-one uncovers "evidence" of Russians tampering with the election to make Clinton win), his supporters are going to start fucking up the whole country.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Of course many Trump supporters are anti establishment rather than right wing. How is that news?
We already had one attempted terrorist attack by Trumpistas. What's the over/under of attempted attacks once he loses? 5? 10? At which point does the legal system start blaming him?
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Incitement to violence is a crime.
Freedom of speech in the US makes it difficult to prosecute someone for incitement unless they're inciting specific acts against specific individuals.
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Can you imagine the shit show if Trump was arrested like an average joe? Hell, even his rape case doesn't start until after the election.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
I wonder why Hillary simply doesn't pull the plug on the 3rd debate.
Congratulations America
Why give Trump more ammunition? He's destroying himself and the GOP just fine.
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Indeed, to be a Democrat in America this year must be like being a Tory here. The "opposition" just doesn't exist and is not just going to throw this election but cause lasting damage to the party once the incapable "leader" is gone.
The question now is not whether the Democrats will win the Presidency this year (they will).
The question is will they get an almost unprecedented clean sweep of House, Senate, Presidency and SCOTUS.
The question is how the heck the GOP get their act together for 2020.
As a non-Democrat or Republican, it's horrifying, because we're either heading towards national collapse or a one-party state.
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Seeing as how you had a vote in the primaries, had a chance to sway people in your local party politics? This is delicious
Suck it!
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
That would entail joining one of the parties. No thanks.Seeing as how you had a vote in the primaries, had a chance to sway people in your local party politics? This is delicious
Suck it!
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That's pretty handy, you get to clutch your pearls at anything remotely SOCIALIST anyone does, but at the same time you're not at all culpable for the likes of mister Cruz. Why, it's as if you're not participating in democracy at all!
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Party primaries are private affairs run by private organizations. There's nothing democratic or undemocratic about them. I'm quite happy to vote for the lesser of two evils once general elections roll around. We all know both parties are currently controlled by populist mobs (albeit a somewhat less threatening mob on the left). Until the "let's make things fairer even if it destroys the economy" faction of the DNC or the "we hate non-white folk" faction of the GOP become much weaker, there's no sense of working from the inside. And that means one of the parties has to implode or there has to be a change in the political system. I hear Maine is voting on ranked voting.
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They're referring to Black Panther actions in Philly in 2012, Fuzzy.
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Where is Guiliani saying anything about the Black Panthers? I see nothing in your cited Guardian article attributed to Guiliani that comes close to "racially charged."
I've gone over the whole transcript from the CNN thing his remarks were taken from. Again, nothing, not ONE WORD, that comes close to what you allege, to something that is racially charged. The Guardian took something that has a surface correlation, urban inner cities and black populations, and decided that they were synonyms in a context where they do not, in fact, have any linkages whatsoever.
Loki, you're not doing basic fact-checking. You didn't do it yesterday when you declared that a Democrat sheriff was a GOP party elite, you didn't do it here, you haven't done it on a lot of your posting in this thread. If Politifact were monitoring this forum, it would show you're trying to give Trump a run for his money.
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Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...82613633208320
Now he's accusing Clinton of backing violence against him. Gee, I wonder how some of his crazier supporters are going to react to that.
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Yeah, a guy who supports Republicans and Republican causes while opposing Democrats and Democratic causes is a Democrat just because he runs as one in elections for a mostly apolitical post.
And sure, when Giuliani says inner cities, he refers to things 99% of the Republican base doesn't know or care about. He's not implying that only African Americans commit electoral fraud.
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck may work most of the time but not when describing someone as "party elite". You're no better than those here on the left who dismiss anyone they dislike as a Tory. The SNP extremists dismiss all of Scottish Labour as "red Tories". The far left dismisses anyone in Labour who doesn't agree with Corbyn as "a Tory". But whatever the far left or Scottish nationalists want to say, the only Tory elite are leaders let alone members of the Tory party. The GOP elite are leaders let alone members of the GOP. Not Democrats.
You're right he's not. He's saying that Democrats commit fraud. Which would be why he said that the dead vote for Democrats, not that they vote for blacks.And sure, when Giuliani says inner cities, he refers to things 99% of the Republican base doesn't know or care about. He's not implying that only African Americans commit electoral fraud.
This is not alike.America has millions of people who claim to be Democrats but haven't actually voted for Democrats since the 1970s and don't support any Democratic policies.
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And not a single one of those millions could possibly be called a member of the "GOP elite". In order to be a member of the "GOP elite" you'd have to actually be both in the GOP and "elite". Someone who is a Democrat and just Mayor of Hicksville is neither.
Minus the part where he regularly campaigns for Republicans and Republican causes.
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Still doesn't make him Republican Elite.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...infamous-tape/
It seems Trump isn't hemorrhaging the support of Republicans over the sexual assault allegations for reasons separate from partisanship.
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If they're run by parties why do you register your allegiance with the state? Why don't you just privately sign up to join the party directly?
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