Lewk, anyone who declares Islam a non-religion, but a cancerous ideology, IS a complete nutjob.
Lewk, anyone who declares Islam a non-religion, but a cancerous ideology, IS a complete nutjob.
Just to be clear you are comparing a bombshell that dropped days before an election with the news cycle already at a fever pitch with a law suit settled out of court, (which is hardly news for Trump regardless of what he claims) post election, with no admission of wrong doing - which for the record still got front page, above the fold billing? Do you think that is a fair comparison?Originally Posted by Steely Glint
I've something and it goes thumpin' like this:
Pardon me. He's just someone who thinks Islam is an ideology, not a religion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzh9b_vo4vs).
Someone who wrote a completely inane book about foreign policy (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/marka...policy-vision/).
Someone who claims that Sharia law is spreading throughout the US (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us...ald-trump.html).
Someone who managed to get themselves fired from the DIA for incompetence (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...93b_story.html).
Someone who's so prone to lying that his own staff referred to lies as "Flynn facts" (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us...ald-trump.html).
Someone who's a fan of both Putin (http://www.vox.com/2016/11/17/136732...clinton-turkey) and Erdogan, despite Erdogan being an Islamist.
Someone who called for extraditing someone living in America to Turkey just to suck up to Erdogan (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us...ald-trump.html).
So fine, he's just someone who's completely off his rails when it comes to Islam, has a poor understanding of foreign policy, refuses to pass on intelligence that he personally disagrees with, and has gotten paid gigs from both Erdogan and Putin. Nothing to see here.
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It's even scarier when a guy like Flynn can be "whispering" things into a President's ear, when that President is overwhelmed.
More from Trump's buddies in the alt-right movement (also known as neo-Nazis): http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us...ald-trump.html
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Oh, but the alt-right isn't really a political group. It's nothing more than a few people on the radical right, and doesn't amount to much. Just ignore them.
That doesn't say he was fired for incompetence.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
You're making my point for me.
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It's hardly news because it happens with such regularity, which is something I know because it was very widely reported on in the media.
Not playing well others (either superiors or staff). Not doing his job as head of an intel agency. Acting like a nutjob after being fired.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d78_story.html
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And yet every minor development in the email story apparently requires the entire front page.
How curious!
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The FBI director reopening a case against the Democratic nominee for president, and for many the presumptive president elect, 11 days before the election is a huge story. It's even bigger if you can attach a sex scandal between a politician and an underage girl to it, as you could with Weiner. It is hardly a minor development, Steely. I'm not sure if you are blind to this because of partisanship or because we now have the benefit of hindsight that reopening the investigation did not amount to anything substantial, but at the time it was certainly headline making news. On the other hand, a man known for settling law suits out of court continuing to do so is far more dog bites man than man bites dog.
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The FBI reopening the case was not a minor development it was a major one. Try finding the front pages of the rest of the campaign if you want to be honest.
ugh, fine.
fucking fine
Trump University lawsuit, a civil RICO case, is filed on 18th of October:
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/1...tpage/scan.pdf
GOP nominee is accused of rackeeting. Not front page worthy.
29th of September, USA Today reports that Trump may have illegally violated the Cuba embargo:
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/0...tpage/scan.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/0...tpage/scan.pdf
Also not front page worthy.
20th of June 2016, a law suit filed in California accuses Donald Trump of raping a little girl. NYT on the 21st of June 2016:
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/0...tpage/scan.pdf
*tumbleweed*
20th of September, Washington Post reports that Trump used money from one his charities to settle a legal dispute:
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/0...tpage/scan.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/0...tpage/scan.pdf
*crickets*
There are also dozens of other stories which didn't break during the election, but which the media could have decided to turn into an Emailgate style months long saga with front page updates on every new development ("FBI investigator on Clinton e-mail case scratches nose, has pork pie for lunch: We explore the ramifications on pages 3, 9, 12, 16 and 23 through 42, 45, 52, 57 through 103"), including, but not limited to, using illegal immigrant works, having connections to the mob, running a pyramid scam, refusing to pay contractors, and about nine thousand accusation of sexual misconduct, but didn't.
I'll tell you what was worthy of the front page, though. Clinton getting pneumonia:
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/0...tpage/scan.pdf
So that's awesome.
Anyway, here's loads of front pages from the NYT about Clinton's e-mails:
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2015/0...tpage/scan.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2015/0...tpage/scan.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2015/0...tpage/scan.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/0...tpage/scan.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/1...tpage/scan.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/1...tpage/scan.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/1...tpage/scan.pdf
Yeah, look, if you actually read the letter Comey sent to congress it basically says "we found a bunch more e-mails, no idea if it's significant or not, until we take a look. just a heads up." Worth reporting? Yes. Maybe even on the front page. However, even a cursory look would tell any journalist worthy of the name that the substance story wasn't actually that big a deal - although worth keeping an eye on in case it develops into one.
From this, the NYT managed to get *three straight days of front page headlines*.
Look me in the figurative eye and tell me they weren't milking that story like a motherfucker.
Look me in the figurative eye and tell me any of Trumps 9 million scandels involving actual criminality (rather than the horrendous things that come out of his mouth, which did get covered extensively) would have been given the same comparative radio silence had they been about Clinton.
Go on, do it.
Enoch, since you're so concerned about quote unquote "partisanship" - which apparently means failure to assert that both sides are as bad as each other on all occasions, even if they're actually not - I urge you to repeat the same exercise with one of the last two GOP candidates - especially compare the coverage of Romney's 47% remarks with, *rolls dice*, Trump's charity scandal.
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What was front-page worthy was that Comey did something so shockingly irresponsible. I think it's fair to say that the director of the FBI writing a letter like that to congress so close to the election is big news in and of itself. Which is unfortunate because the subject matter of the letter was so dumb.
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I dunno, he was in kind of a tricky position. Release it, and he's in trouble for influencing the election, sit on it and he's in trouble for influencing the election. I think it was the wrong call, but it's also a mistake that I can see a reasonable person in that situation making. I read that he was also facing a lot of internal dissent about the decision not to indite Clinton, which probably influenced him as well.
It was the media that decided to go absolutely ape-shit about it. That's on them.
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Comey was put in an impossible situation. There is a reason why the FBI rarely actually formally closes cases the problem is that Comey was put under immense political pressure to draw a line under the sand months before announcing the inquiry closed. The Weiner situation reversed that. At that point what was Comey supposed to do? His last correspondence to Congress was now rendered false by later events.
Say something and be accused of being partisan.
Do nothing and let what is now false correspondence be the matter of record and be accused of being partisan.
He was in a lose/lose situation and went with being honest. Unfortunate. Had he not bowed to political pressure months before by effectively closing the investigation this would not have blown up so close as there'd have been no material change in the situation.
And more on Flynn: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b099512f8376d4
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Real straight-talker that Flynn, he tells it like it is, none of that PC bullcrap
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Colin Powell, former secretary of state, explained in hacked emails why Flynn was fired: “abusive with staff, didn’t listen, worked against policy, bad management.” Powell added that ever since, Flynn has been “right-wing nutty.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/op...-the-ugly.html
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That doesn't look persuasive, don't you have something better like a link to a reddit thread?Colin Powell, former secretary of state, explained in hacked emails why Flynn was fired: “abusive with staff, didn’t listen, worked against policy, bad management.” Powell added that ever since, Flynn has been “right-wing nutty.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/op...-the-ugly.html
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Or a mechanical Turk $5 article.
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Amusing that liberals will use Powell's words when they've done nothing but try to trash his work in the Bush administration.Colin Powell, former secretary of state, explained in hacked emails why Flynn was fired: “abusive with staff, didn’t listen, worked against policy, bad management.” Powell added that ever since, Flynn has been “right-wing nutty.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/op...-the-ugly.html
Sounds like Flynn is actually a bit of an asshole though, as more things come out. At the end of the day I don't think you would have been happy with anyone who has the same view of Radical Islam. In the 50s-80s the driving ideological evil of the world was Communism - an economic philosophy. Now the driving ideological evil of the world is Islamic Jihad - a hybrid religious/political philosophy. We need the government that understands that evil, calls it by its name and doesn't tolerate people protecting friends/family who harbor those murderous beliefs. While Flynn seems flawed, now that I've read more about him, I'd still rather have a flawed person who sees the danger of Islamic Terrorism than a more able individual who has Politically Correct blinders on.
Powell was the one Bush guy Democrats loved...
Yeah Lewk, I'm sure the other potential NSA nominees were blind to the danger of Islamism. And you know what's a great way of combating Islamism? By calling all Muslims evil (until they pay you off, like Erdogan).
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Loved was the right word... past tense. A lot of liberals think he's a 'war criminal' and 'lied to America.'
Most NSA nominees are Christian who by default consider the Islamic religion evil. Few people say that of course - nor would I recommend it. However calling out 'moderate Muslims' who don't report their friends and family for their jihadist beliefs/actions. Yeah that's a good thing. Calling out Muslim leaders who don't strongly condemn terrorism (and I'm talking about the international stage here) is also vital. Fuck anyone who funds terrorism and supports jihad against Israel and America.
Good to know that you don't give a damn about the first amendment. No longer cool to be a strict constructionist?
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I have no idea what you are talking about. No one is implying that we restrict the ability of Muslims to practice their faith... unless you are suggesting jihad is part of the Muslim faith?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/politi...azi/index.html
"Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean called President-elect Donald Trump's chief strategist pick Steve Bannon "a Nazi.""
As crazy as ever.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald...-bannon-231578
"Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer delivered the following statement at Trump Tower, per a pool report: “Israel has no doubt that President-elect Trump is a true friend of Israel. We have no doubt that Vice-President-elect Mike Pence is a true friend of Israel, he was one of Israel’s greatest friends in the Congress, one of the most pro-Israel governors in the country, and we look forward to working with the Trump administration, with all of the members of the Trump administration, including Steve Bannon, and making the US-Israel alliance stronger than ever.”"
Can we all agree the term 'Nazi' being used by Dean here is pathetic?
More on Flynn (him promoting a conspiracy theory about false flags on RT included): http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/21/...iser-terrorism
White supremacist is more accurate. Neo-Nazi applies to many of Bannon's followers. Probably a step too far for Bannon himself.
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I disagree. He's an American supremacist. I have a hard time believing there is any truth to him not being fully OK with individuals like Marco Rubio, Clarence Thomas or Bobby Jindal. He's America first but I don't see where race is an issue for him or the vast majority of the 'alt right.'
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