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  1. #2701
    America has turned into the Twilight Zone the rest of the world hasn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  2. #2702
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    I dunno. Perhaps the most conservative Trump-supporters don't really see Trump as being all that different from them, somehow managing to ignore the less conservative aspects of his behavior. Perhaps they're not as well-informed as more moderate Republicans, or as skilled at putting two and two together. Perhaps they're more likely to be governed by emotions or more easily swayed by Trump's rhetorical tricks (fine-tuned to that particular group of voters). Or perhaps they simply perceive, accurately, that the Democrat-voting liberals are currently the greatest domestic threat to their particular kind of conservatism, to their values and to their world, and see Trump as a good way to drive back that threat. I'm more inclined to see signs of sadism in the behavior of less conservative Trump-supporters
    Trump is a dumb mans idea of a smart man, a poor mans idea of a rich man, and a weak mans idea of a strong man.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  3. #2703
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Trump is a dumb mans idea of a smart man, a poor mans idea of a rich man, and a weak mans idea of a strong man.
    Wait, hang on, I know this riddle... all three men are Trump, right?? It's like the one with the surgeon who says, "My God, this man is my son!"
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  4. #2704
    Hope is the denial of reality

  5. #2705
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ence?CMP=fb_gu

    Nunes continues to give McConnell a run for his money in the "Most Spineless Politician" category
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  6. #2706
    I believe the term Nunes was looking for wasn't "neophyte" but rather "pathological liar."
    Hope is the denial of reality

  7. #2707
    Hope is the denial of reality

  8. #2708
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  9. #2709
    When the sky above us fell
    We descended into hell
    Into kingdom come

  10. #2710
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  11. #2711
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    The poor in this country have it better than most of the world.

  12. #2712
    Implication: let's have them go bankrupt or die whenever they get seriously ill.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  13. #2713
    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/statu...06752927199234

    https://twitter.com/seanhannity/stat...48903218442240

    At which point do we start using the word "traitor" to describe some of these people?
    Hope is the denial of reality

  14. #2714
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/statu...06752927199234

    https://twitter.com/seanhannity/stat...48903218442240

    At which point do we start using the word "traitor" to describe some of these people?
    When it becomes accurate to say they actually engaged in treason? I'm pretty "strict constructionist" when it comes to my use of the term "traitor." And permit me to preempt your first response by saying for reasons of historical accuracy, I am also pretty strict in how I construct "giving aid and comfort,"
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  15. #2715
    I'm not sure what the issue is with the Sean Hannity twitter comment. Journalist is asking a question?

  16. #2716
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    When it becomes accurate to say they actually engaged in treason? I'm pretty "strict constructionist" when it comes to my use of the term "traitor." And permit me to preempt your first response by saying for reasons of historical accuracy, I am also pretty strict in how I construct "giving aid and comfort,"
    We both know the legal US requirement for treason is both inconsistent with what the word actually means and how it's interpreted in most of the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I'm not sure what the issue is with the Sean Hannity twitter comment. Journalist is asking a question?
    Are you that gullible? He's suggesting the CIA hacked the DNC and blamed Russia for it.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  17. #2717
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post

    Are you that gullible? He's suggesting the CIA hacked the DNC and blamed Russia for it.
    He's asking is it possible and if it happened. Seems reasonable we know the intelligence community is playing politics these days.

  18. #2718
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    He's asking is it possible and if it happened. Seems reasonable we know the intelligence community is playing politics these days.
    Asking who?

    Yes, Lewk, everything is reasonable to someone who trusts Russia more than his own country. Hannity has become a wikileaks retweeting machine. The fact that you're still a fanboy doesn't say much for your patriotism.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  19. #2719
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    We both know the legal US requirement for treason is both inconsistent with what the word actually means and how it's interpreted in most of the world.
    Not going to argue that extraneous topic with you because, oddly enough, you are talking about US citizens operating in a US domestic context and as such the US legal definition and historical usage is the only one that matters. Go figure.

    Are you that gullible? He's suggesting the CIA hacked the DNC and blamed Russia for it.
    And how does being a tool pandering to his market demographic make Hannity a traitor? Do. . . do you need me to explain mens rea to you again, Loki? How would you grade a student who was so stubbornly resistant to basic fact? And how does it make you any different from the morons Hannity happens to be pandering to?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  20. #2720
    pfft. If the current popular US standard for "treason" were applied fairly all of these jerks would be in jail and possibly executed I like Hannity's attempt to undermine the CIA and US democracy at the same time.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  21. #2721
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/statu...06752927199234

    https://twitter.com/seanhannity/stat...48903218442240

    At which point do we start using the word "traitor" to describe some of these people?
    Been doing it for a while.
    When the sky above us fell
    We descended into hell
    Into kingdom come

  22. #2722
    Hope is the denial of reality

  23. #2723
    That's ridiculous Loki. Fuzzy never said there had to be a conviction, he said there is a US legal definition and historical usage.

    Unsolved murders are still murders even if they remain unsolved let alone if there's a trial and there's no conviction.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  24. #2724
    Words have meanings. Just because some of those words are also legal concepts doesn't mean we must adopt the legal definitions unless talking about the law (that's no excuse to stretch a word's meaning beyond its standard usage, but that's a separate GGT issue).
    Hope is the denial of reality

  25. #2725
    Italian Band Soviet Soviet Denied Entry To The U.S., Jailed And Then Deported
    http://www.npr.org/sections/therecor...-then-deported

    Official Statement:
    We arrived in Seattle on the afternoon of March 8.
    We made our way to passport control with our ESTA, a letter from our American label (in which the label owner declared we would be performing a series of concerts for promotional purposes only and that we would in no way be receiving any form of payment for those shows) and a written invitation on the part of SxSw in hand. The first of us to get through passport control was Ale (our drummer), who disclosed the promotional purposes of our trip to the police officer.
    Ale (our guitarist) and Andrea who both explained the exact same thing were held up and escorted to another office. Subsequently, we were all called back and interrogated individually, in three different rooms. We were able to have the agents speak directly to the owner of our American label without any success, however. After almost 4 hours of questions they told us their verdict. They had decided to deport us back to Italy and deny us entry into the United States. They declared us illegal immigrants even if our intention was by no means to look for work in the United States nor never go back to Italy.
    We accepted this decision as it seemed final at that point. They took our digital fingerprints and took mugshots of us for their file. They confiscated our cell phones and we were denied the possibility of contacting our families and loved ones. Around 10:30pm, two prison officers frisked us, handcuffed us and brought us to jail in a police car. We spent the night in jail and had been escorted there as though we were three criminals. The following day, after having completed all jail-related procedures (mugshots, declaration of good health and signatures), two other agents came to get us. We were searched, handcuffed and again escorted in a police car.
    They took us to the customs office we were in the previous day and we waited for our return flight which was scheduled for around 1:00pm local time. Only a short while prior to taking off were we able to get back our cell phones and bags and we were escorted right up to the airplane. We were relieved to fly back home and distance ourselves from that violent, stressful and humiliating situation. We left Italy headed towards the US with all necessary documents, passports and various declarations in which we clearly explained the purpose of our tour, confirming it is was strictly promotional and that we were in no way going to earn money from it or receive any form of payment. We knew that if we were to receive any compensation we would have had to apply for work visas. This was not the case and the people we spoke to for information told us we would be fine. We had not agreed on any payment whatsoever and the scheduled showcase performance at KEXP was most certainly not a paid performance. The point is that the control agents who did a quick check on the concerts we informed them of noticed that two of the venues were asking for entry fees and this was enough to convince them that we needed work visas instead of an ESTA.
    We accepted this situation even if we tried to no end to explain the situation and that we were not receiving any form of payment, but there was simply no way of convincing the officials we spoke to. From that moment onwards, we became three illegal immigrants and were treated like criminals.
    This is what happened this past Wednesday and Thursday. We would like to thank the people who supported and helped us throughout this ordeal, including Alessio Antoci, Owen Murphy and John Richards.
    We would like to apologize to our fans, the owners of the venues, KEXP radio and the SxSw festival.
    We would also like to apologize for having had to cancel our American tour and hope to go back soon.
    Soviet Soviet.


    Is there any part of life this administration hasn't tried to humiliate and strangle yet?
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  26. #2726
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    They're actually correct. . . using their very limited definition that only acknowledges hard, structural barriers (and many of them are actually mostly consistent in sticking to that definition even in different contexts).

    Really, Fuzzy? So you wouldn't say someone was murdered if they were killed but no one was charged with homicide? There's no hate crime if there's no hate crime conviction? Legal definitions aren't the only ones out there. And as long as we're not making a legal argument, I fail to see why they should be the only ones that are applied.
    Except we do prosecute people for those crimes. All the time. We don't prosecute due to either lack of jury-convincing evidence or lack of a suspect. But there isn't typically doubt as to whether a crime was committed. I realize those Belorussian instincts are crying out to you but we never had a single treason prosecution for aid to Russia during the Cold War for a reason. And that applies even more surely now. Hannity isn't giving aid to Russia and Russia is not our enemy. We deliberately construct treason strictly in this country, Lewki, it's because we DON'T want to see those abuses you seem to desire deep in your heart and which you clearly long for here.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  27. #2727
    The fact that the Rosenbergs weren't executed for treason should tell you all you need to know about how ridiculously the term is used.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  28. #2728
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Italian Band Soviet Soviet Denied Entry To The U.S., Jailed And Then Deported
    http://www.npr.org/sections/therecor...-then-deported



    Is there any part of life this administration hasn't tried to humiliate and strangle yet?
    I. . . don't think you can lay this one strictly on Trump. He's created a climate sure, but this is not exactly a new issue.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  29. #2729
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The fact that the Rosenbergs weren't executed for treason should tell you all you need to know about how ridiculously the term is used.
    You mean the fact that it is only used during properly declared wars? (well, those and for a couple of insurrections, including two instances of arming slaves in Virginia) How unreasonable that "enemy" actually means enemy. Why can't it just mean rival, or "state Lewki doesn't like"?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  30. #2730
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    You mean the fact that it is only used during properly declared wars? (well, those and for a couple of insurrections, including two instances of arming slaves in Virginia) How unreasonable that "enemy" actually means enemy. Why can't it just mean rival, or "state Lewki doesn't like"?
    Yes, Fuzzy, your definition is the one true definition because it's the one used by the US government. Are we going to apply that logic to the designation of terrorist groups (no Hezbollah)? The definition of terrorism (of course targeting troops in a warzone is terrorism!)? To democracies (of course Jordan is democratic!)? To coups (what coup in Egypt?)?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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