Cash and Condescension

[Lewkowski]

And certain States/Counties might eliminate the music courses. Kind of sad since it's proven that bilingualism and playing an instrument cause most students to do better in school, standardized test, keeps them out of trouble, and impedes brain diseases.

I want to see proof that music *in stead of other types of additional curriculum* has proven to keep kids out of trouble. Yes music vs. no music/no additional items is obvious. But compare that to say a UIL sport mental or athletic. The only time I've ever seen a study is a simple comparison of kids into music or not into music when the bigger factor is weather or not the child is active in some sort of extra curricular school sponsored event.

[Young Mage]

Well shit, full time child monitoring couldn't possibly cost far more than $50 a month.

In Virginia, one High School student costs 14500 a year to the State. Someone's math is wrong OR someone is using sarcasm.

Do the class a favor and define "anarchism," please.

Free for all. Darwinism.

[Young Mage]

Skorton, Daniel J. "The Arts Are Essential." Editorial. Edutopia. The George Lucas Educational Foundation, n.d. Web. 17 Mar. 2010. <http://www.edutopia.org/>.

“Although [the arts] do not always lend themselves to the kinds of metrics used to demonstrate proficiency in reading and math, the arts and humanities play a vital role in the educational development of students. They keep and convey our cultural heritage while opening us up to other societies and civilizations around the globe. They help us explore what it means to be human, including both the ethical and aesthetic dimensions. If science and technology help us to answer questions of "what" and "how," the arts and humanities give us ways to confront the intangible, to contemplate the "why," to imagine, to create. If ever there were a time to nurture those skills in our young people, it is now…

Great research universities are often thought of in relation to their contributions to the advancement of science and technology. Biomedical inquiry and discovery are well established in universities, as are research in the physical and mathematical sciences and the social sciences. Yet liberal arts education is the heart of a university, and the humanities and arts comprise its soul.

Music is a communicator, a transducer of emotion, a stimulator of understanding -- explicit or implicit. Music teaches in a way that we cannot replicate with words. Pedagogically complex, music transforms us, touches us alone or in a shared experience, whether planned or improvised. What of the place of plans and improvisation in art, in life? Can anything teach that point more clearly than music? The seamless juxtaposition of the planned and the extemporaneous -- musician to musician, musician to audience, audience to musician -- are vividly evident in the live act of creating and receiving.

I believe deeply that arts education is of great value in and of itself, not only instrumentally; I believe just as emphatically that education in the arts is the business of all of us, from the home and the family to the neighborhood and the village, from the P-12 school system to higher education to lifelong learning, culminating in the great and defining legacy of our public culture.”

About Vh1 Save The Music Foundation." VH1 Save The Music.VH1, n.d. Web. 17 Mar. 2010.<http://vh1savethem usic.com/about>.

As we examined the music education system throughout the nation, we found that music education is not only important for its intrinsic value, but research consistently demonstrated that students who study an instrument enhance their critical thinking skills and their ability to work together as a team. They are more engaged in school and less likely to drop out; and they do significantly better in all of their academic endeavors. Upon seeing the facts about the benefits of music education in a young person’s life, VH1 started The Foundation. Since that visionary moment, the VH1 Save the Music Foundation has proudly restored over 1,600 instrumental music programs in more than 100 cities nationwide, putting instruments into the hands of 1.2 million children. The Foundation is able to make grants of music education programs because of the generous support from its corporate sponsors, foundations, individuals and partners.

H. Peterson, Linda, ed. The Norton Reader. New York: W.W. Norton & Company Ltd, 2004. Print.

“Today I hear bilingual educators say that children lose a degree of “individuality” by becoming assimilated into public society. (Bilingual schooling was popularized in the seventies, that decade when middle-class ethnics began to resist the process of assimilation—the American melting pot.) But the bilingualists simplistically scorn the value and necessity of assimilation. They do not seem to realize that while one suffers a diminished sense of private individuality by becoming assimilated into society, such assimilation makes possible the achievement of public individuality.”

Pufahl, Ingrid, Nancy C. Rhodes, and Donna, Christian. "What We Can Learn From Foreign Language Teaching in Other Countries." What We Can Learn from Foreign Language Teaching in Other Countries (2001). ERIC. Web. 17 Mar. 2010. <http://www.ericdigests. org/2002-2/countries.htm>.

"During the last decade, new efforts have aimed at improving foreign language education in the United States (see, e.g., National Standards in Foreign Language Education Project, 1999). A recent study concerned with the need to strengthen foreign language skills among U.S. students examined the successes of other countries. Conducted by the Center for Applied Linguistics, the study collected information from 22 educators in 19 countries about foreign language instruction in their elementary and secondary schools. The countries represented in the study are Australia, Austria, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Israel, Italy, Kazakhstan, Luxembourg, Morocco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Peru, Spain, and Thailand. Information was also gathered on China, England, and Hong Kong from comparative education
reports."

Baker, C. 2000. The Care and Education of Young Bilinguals. An Introduction for Professionals. Clevedon: Multilingual Matters.





GUESS who had to make a present the effects of...you get it. haha

[Young Mage]

I want to see proof that music *in stead of other types of additional curriculum* has proven to keep kids out of trouble. Yes music vs. no music/no additional items is obvious. But compare that to say a UIL sport mental or athletic. The only time I've ever seen a study is a simple comparison of kids into music or not into music when the bigger factor is weather or not the child is active in some sort of extra curricular school sponsored event.

Ok, compare one of those star football player in High School. He gets drunk, high, and does a lot of stupid things. Now compare that to the orchestra's Grand Master. I'm not even going to go there.

[CitizenCain]

Free for all. Darwinism.

Ah, well, there we have it. That is not actually the definition of anarchism.

Skorton, Daniel J. "The Arts Are Essential." Editorial. Edutopia. The George Lucas Educational Foundation, n.d. Web. 17 Mar. 2010. <http://www.edutopia.org/>.

Editorials are not generally considered a valid source for serious claims... since an editorial is simply a written opinion of the author. An editorial is not a source, an editorial is one of those things which generally requires sources to back up its claims.

About Vh1 Save The Music Foundation." VH1 Save The Music.VH1, n.d. Web. 17 Mar. 2010.<http://vh1savethem usic.com/about>.

Oh my God! A music media organization is in favor of musical education?!?! Will wonders never cease?

H. Peterson, Linda, ed. The Norton Reader. New York: W.W. Norton & Company Ltd, 2004. Print.

And this source says absolutely nothing at all in support of your original claim ("it's proven that bilingualism and playing an instrument cause most students to do better in school, standardized test, keeps them out of trouble, and impedes brain diseases.")

Pufahl, Ingrid, Nancy C. Rhodes, and Donna, Christian. "What We Can Learn From Foreign Language Teaching in Other Countries." What We Can Learn from Foreign Language Teaching in Other Countries (2001). ERIC. Web. 17 Mar. 2010. <http://www.ericdigests. org/2002-2/countries.htm>.

Uh, this source says nothing about the effects of multi-lingual learning on broader achievement. It concludes:

"Compared to students in much of the world, U.S. students lag far behind in their foreign language capabilities. The study discussed in this digest has provided valuable insight into successful foreign language education in other countries. The United States can learn a great deal by studying these successes and using the information to implement practices and policies that will support the development of better foreign language education and a higher level of foreign language proficiency among our citizens."

In other words, better multi-lingual education in the United States would help US students become more proficient in other languages.

In related news, water is wet.

Baker, C. 2000. The Care and Education of Young Bilinguals. An Introduction for Professionals. Clevedon: Multilingual Matters.

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This graph states that musicians score higher in "tonal skill," "rhythm" and "melody" than non musicians. Wow, you think?


So, again, where's your proof that "bilingualism and playing an instrument cause most students to do better in school, standardized test, keeps them out of trouble, and impedes brain diseases?"

Because I haven't seen an iota of evidence for your claim anywhere in your rather large post.

Ok, compare one of those star football player in High School. He gets drunk, high, and does a lot of stupid things. Now compare that to the orchestra's Grand Master. I'm not even going to go there.

You know that's funny, because the athletes at *my* high school were routinely drug tested, were required to maintain a 3.0 GPA minimum, and the musicians were always high or dropping acid.

See? Proof that high school athletics leads to broader achievement, while musical programs lead to criminal behavior and drug abuse.