Those who suffered from bullying when in school have no sympathy for the bullys, their families, and the teachers who knew and did nothing to stop it, and they sem to be now having to endure, according to some people in the net.
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The public has essentially ruined the lives of anyone and everyone even remotely involved with what happened to Phoebe.
Even unrelated people living in the same area who happen to have the same last name as one of the perpetrators are receiving relentless and scalding bitterness from people all around the world.
Internet sites have been put up with maps to their houses, their telephone numbers, where their parents work, etc. The website for the school she went to has been shut down.
Some people think these people are hounded out of the country, preferably to hell, since those who are inhumane have no place in humanity.
It is interesting to see society take it upon itself to exact justice in this case, knowing the legal system cannot go far enough in punishing the bullys and their parents. When enough people are ruined for life, maybe the bullying will stop. It was a very bad move to bully her...
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What can be done to stop bullying?
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Freedom - When people learn to embrace criticism about politicians, since politicians are just employees like you and me.
I hate to say this to someone I once praised because he never resorts to namecalling, but you're an unchristian fucking moron Lewk. Fuck you very much you fucking dick head.
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I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
So, let's assume I am lazy and don't bother to read your links. Then what do we have? One man acting under duress after being subjected to hormone injections and another one on merely extreme duress. Yeah, that really sounds like people making considered decisions to end their lives.
Funny coincidence that I talked to one of my nephews about the subject of ending your own life. He told me that about 3 years ago he seriously considered it, but came out the right way. In retrospect he thinks it was a combination of a depression made worse by sugar imbalances. He was quite happy that he hadn't done anything silly back then.
Some months ago a turkish female friend made an attempt; after she recovered the only thing I told her that I thought she was too stupid for words trying to off herself taking pills. She thought it quite funny I told her that if she really wanted to kill herself I could give her some real useful tips.
Congratulations America
I don't see what the point to continuing discussion with you on this matter is if you're just going to assume or rationalize that all people who would want to commit suicide are mentally unstable or are of unsound judgement.
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I'd rather assume you're too stupid to read them, as that would make my life much easier. You don't mind, do you?
Only if we ignore the logical arguments I've forwarded regarding situations where suicide is the rational choice. But I suppose we are, which makes me wonder why anyone would bother trying to discuss this topic with you when you ignore any counter-point you can't be bothered to assume or justify away.
Oh, so what the fucking hell did you actually mean when you said "Give me one valid example where a physical healthy person is better off dead?" Because I gave you one... arguably two. And your hand wave dismissal of it is "duress." Pfffffft. Well no shit. As opposed to... all the perfectly rational reasons to commit suicide when life is going too well? Jesus Q. Christ on a pogo stick.
Verily, you have shown me. Clearly, anyone who considers suicide is beset by temporary difficulties that will pass with time. Obviously, it's a physical impossibility that someone could be beset by permanent problems which would serve to make life unbearable in perpetuity.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
Ok, have fun explaining to the world suicide is a much better way of dealing with problems than actually addressing the problems themselves.
Congratulations America
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
John Atchison was receiving hormone injections?!?!?!
Oh, excuse me... you're doing such an impressive ostrich impression that I forgot you were Hazir for a moment.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
Loki did she choose to do it or was she forced? The obvious answer is she choose to commit suicide. She had other options. 15 is not too different from 18. In other periods of time a 15 year old could be expected to be raising a child or doing adult work.
She knew right from wrong and chose wrong. As far as the "rape" charge is concerned from what I understood it was a statutory rape charge. Do you really agree with the idea of locking up teenagers for sleeping with other teenagers? 19 to 13 is one thing but that is not what happened here.
A charge of statutory rape alongside an injury charge indicates some perp's parents are friends of the DA.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Lewkowski, if you could only be a contemptable moron about things which don't directly effect people in the future, that'd be awesome.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
So I ask again... what is it, approximately, that you actually want here?
You seem to be taking the position that suicide cannot possibly ever be the "right" decision, ever be a rational action, or ever be something that any healthy, sane person could possibly seriously consider. To that end, you threw down the gauntlet and challenged someone to provide you with just one example of a healthy person who's better off dead. ("Give me one valid example where a physical healthy person is better off dead. Just one ... ") So I did - and even provided a link and a brief explanation of why (John Atchison). And your response was basically "assume I'm too lazy to read your links... and also, my nephew didn't kill himself because he had a sugar imbalance."
Well, OK.
Might it be easier and more honest just to come out and admit that there's no way you'll ever change your mind, and trying to discuss this with you is less productive than a discussion with a brick wall? Nothing wrong with having an opinion that's set in stone - you'll never convince me that death is the worst possible fate, for example - but you should at least admit that you're unwilling or unable to change your opinion on suicide, rather than engaging in a discussion on the topic under the pretense of being open to alternate points of view.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
If I'm not mistaken gender reassignment usually involves taking hormones for months, as does birth control, certain treatments for menopause, and other medical conditions...
...I take it from your tone that these people are either insane or not of sound mind or judgement...
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Awww they took him off the suicide watch.... damn should have made sure he couldn't end it until after he's gone to the prison shower...So I did - and even provided a link and a brief explanation of why (John Atchison).
Couldn't of happened to a nicer fellow either.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
This is the most bizarre discussion I've seen on this forum since coming here. The most sensible and succint post was made by Loki
I have no idea how Lewk--and Hazir??!--can ignore this. They're villifying someone for breaking down under torture when they should be villifying the torturers it's retarded to pretend that a--likely depressed--child that is being abused to this extent is a rational, competent moral agent who can be expected to care about anything more than her own immediate suffering.
Well done Hazir for offering your friend tips on how she could go about killing herself. I'm sure you helped solve whatever problem it was that led her to consider suicide in the first place
Re. the mental-illness "cop-out"... even when it's not due to mental illness it can be a tragedy.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Yeah, I should have used a different word than "sane". Underlying issues, neurochemical, emotional, physical, there's always a reason. Happy or contented people don't commit suicide does that sound better?
It would be completely sane to decide not to live in a body riddled with disease, for instance.
Even though Hawking can, I don't think I could. I'd choose assisted suicide, that would be rational in my mind, and it would be a choice. But I also don't have an amazing brain or any exceptional gift as a trade-off.
Lewk and Hazir seem to think ALL of it's a FREE and unencumbered choice, when often it's not (for people with mental illness and impaired thinking or judgement, sometimes meds make it worse).
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
It that particular utopian fantasy, helpful clinics would be available for those who needed them. There would be a waiting period and a psych evaluation and presumably a social evaluation. If you don't qualify in either case you would be denied service and maybe referred for help. So the cost would be dignity and ease, I guess. Not much to stop you, surely.
Despite my best efforts, I've stopped hating Loki for a few months now.
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The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.