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Thread: Does the UK Labour Party have an antisemitism problem?

  1. #91
    Anti-semitism is acceptable as long as it's in defense of Brexit, apparently. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8535846.html
    Hope is the denial of reality

  2. #92
    I've already condemned that.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  3. #93
    I don't think you're a spokesman for the Tories.
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  4. #94
    No I'm a spokesman for myself.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  5. #95
    Met a Jewish friend in London sleeping with a Labour volunteer and avid Corbynite; and she's convinced he's sleeping with her because he fetishizes her.

  6. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I don't think you're a spokesman for the Tories.
    See Gove's recent cowardly attempt to dodge the issue.
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  7. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No I'm a spokesman for myself.
    You just happen to support a pragmatically anti-Semitic party rather than an ideologically anti-Semitic one.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  8. #98
    No. The Tory MEPs argued [badly IMO] that it wasn't their job to interfere in the domestic politics overseas and that the EU was overreaching by acting on this. I disagree. They didn't argue for or against antisemitism.

    Labour has a real issue of regularly actually being antisemetic and sharing platforms with antisemites not simply failing to sanction an antisemitic nation.
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  9. #99
    No one buys that, Rand.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  10. #100
    Agreed. Hence why I said "I disagree."
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  11. #101
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...jewish-donors/


    While attention is on America, and since Labour's conference has been completed, time to readmit the suspended antisemites.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  12. #102
    Labour being Labour.

    Labour Party branch 'voted down motion condemning Pittsburgh synagogue attack'

    Members reject motion after saying there is too much focus on 'antisemitism this, antisemitism that'
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8615211.html
    Hope is the denial of reality

  13. #103
    This thread's kind of died off but antisemitism in Labour hasn't. In fact its become so rampant that 8 MPs have quit the party in recent weeks citing antisemitic abuse including the then extremely pregnant Jewish Labour MP Luciana Berger [who announced she's given birth today] who was driven off by the most vile antisemitic abuse. So much has been happening that Tom Watson [whom I referenced in my last post] has taken a stand and effectively is calling out his leader and Labour's Party Secretary Jennie Formby for being complicit in tolerating antisemitism. A lot of vile abuse is now coming out of the woodwork.

    Labour's own internal disciplinary system came up with a recommendation that the following was antisemitic, only to copy in the Leader's office for thoughts who overruled the decision and said it wasn't antisemitic allowed the member to not be suspended. So Labour's disciplinary system then cleared this woman of this. She has since been complaining about "a witchhunt" and "trial by media" for many other antisemitic incidents including complaining about "Jew process" [due process] being followed.
    Last edited by RandBlade; 03-06-2019 at 01:10 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  14. #104
    Wow, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has now decided things have gotten so bad it has launched a formal inquiry into whether Labour's antisemitism is so bad as to be criminal: https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...bour-broke-law

    "The EHRC said it “can only commence an investigation where we suspect that an organisation has committed an unlawful act”, using powers introduced when the last Labour government passed the Equality Act in 2006."

    The only other time the EHRC has needed to get involved in a political party was when they took the BNP to court for its whites-only policy. Labour is now in the same league as the BNP.

    But Aimless: look squirrel, a backbench Tory said something odd.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  15. #105
    That image is disturbing, clearly antisemitic and shouldn't be defended....by any political party, in any country.

  16. #106
    It's encouraging to see the way this is being played out, with Labour & left-leaning MPs, pundits, activists and ordinary voters calling openly calling the party out on its failure to deal with antisemitism and specifically criticising the foolish tactical thinking underlying the leadership's reluctance to tackle the issue. Political parties and movements have to be able to have these kinds of conversations and approach matters of principle in a principled manner. What's happening now is going to be good for Labour in the long term. Considering the lukewarm response to eg. Baroness Warsi's & others' allegations of Islamophobia in the Conservative Party--not to mention their warm embrace of xenophobic policies--Tories could stand to learn from this moment.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  17. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Wow, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has now decided things have gotten so bad it has launched a formal inquiry into whether Labour's antisemitism is so bad as to be criminal: https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...bour-broke-law

    "The EHRC said it “can only commence an investigation where we suspect that an organisation has committed an unlawful act”, using powers introduced when the last Labour government passed the Equality Act in 2006."

    The only other time the EHRC has needed to get involved in a political party was when they took the BNP to court for its whites-only policy. Labour is now in the same league as the BNP.
    Any EHRC inquiry would be undertaken through section 20 of the Equality Act. A spokesperson said only one such inquiry had been carried out before: an investigation into unlawful discrimination, harassment and victimisation of employees by the Metropolitan police.

    It concluded that minority ethnic, gay and female police officers who raise complaints of discrimination expect to be victimised and fear reprisals. The EHRC called on the Met to overhaul its procedures to comply with the law.
    Looks like Labour may be in the same league as... the Metropolitan Police.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  18. #108
    When will Corbyn decide that J..uhh Zionists are simultaneously responsible for and holding-back Brexit?

  19. #109
    Cream isn't the only thing that floats to the top:

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  20. #110
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9194701.html

    "General election: Labour candidate Gideon Bull drops out over alleged antisemitic remark

    Clacton candidate denies antisemitism, insisting he did not know Shylock was Jewish"

    Councillor who allegedly called a Jewish Councillor "Shylock" in a meeting originally claimed he didn't use the word, then claimed he didn't direct it at the Jewish Councillor and now his line is 'I didn't know Shylock was Jewish' ...

    ****

    That 'Hey Jews' story is disgusting Aimless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  21. #111
    You don't get to make comments on this until you stop defending Johnson's islamophbia.
    Why do we build the wall, my children, my children? We build the wall to keep us free.
    How does the wall keep us free, my children, my children? The wall keeps out the enemy. And we build the wall to keep us free.
    Who do we call the enemy, my children, my children? The enemy is poverty. And the wall keeps out the enemy. And we build the wall to keep us free.
    That's why we build the wall. We build the wall to keep us free. Because we have and they have not, my children, my my children. Because they want what we have got.
    What do we have that they should want, my children, my children? We have a wall to work upon. We have work and they have none. And our work is never done. And the war is never won.
    The enemy is poverty, the wall keeps out the enemy, and we build the wall to keep us free. That's why we build the wall, we build the wall to keep us free.

  22. #112
    If you identify Islamophobia then I will criticise it.

    Johnson is being criticised for language nothing like Shylock being used in a far more liberal argument than many other famously liberal European countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  23. #113
    You know perfectly well what I'm referring to as we've had this discussion on the past. You refuse to accept an examples of Islamophobia as Islamophobia and tie yourselves in knots trying to come up with definitions of racism that exclude whatever crass remarks Prime Minister Johnson has made in the past but include whatever some no-name Labour guy is currently up to.

    Coming up with pitiable excuses for why racism isn't racism is, in fact, defending racism FYI.
    Why do we build the wall, my children, my children? We build the wall to keep us free.
    How does the wall keep us free, my children, my children? The wall keeps out the enemy. And we build the wall to keep us free.
    Who do we call the enemy, my children, my children? The enemy is poverty. And the wall keeps out the enemy. And we build the wall to keep us free.
    That's why we build the wall. We build the wall to keep us free. Because we have and they have not, my children, my my children. Because they want what we have got.
    What do we have that they should want, my children, my children? We have a wall to work upon. We have work and they have none. And our work is never done. And the war is never won.
    The enemy is poverty, the wall keeps out the enemy, and we build the wall to keep us free. That's why we build the wall, we build the wall to keep us free.

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