Would saying "regimes that are close to but not quite socialist" make this point better for you?Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Would saying "regimes that are close to but not quite socialist" make this point better for you?
Hope is the denial of reality
Nor can you mock the idea of giving socialism a chance, since that's exactly what all our countries are doing.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
For more amusement see what liberals thought about Venezuela a couple of years ago...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/2...artel-Hegemony
This is some hilarious stuff, at first I thought it was satire but then nope... I realized just how stupid some folks on the left are.
Daily Kos
No one on here has ever claimed that the left side of the spectrum doesn't have people like you as well.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Like half the Sanders voters?
Hope is the denial of reality
Only half?
I think claiming that half the Sanders voters are the leftist equivalent of "vigilante murder is the just response to shoplifting toothpaste" is taking hyperbole a touch too far.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
I am pretty certain a good number of his voters have a justified distrust of the system.
Congratulations America
Yep, I'd even wager that a good portion of them don't actually understand a lot of his policies beyond his basic talking points. The distrust, or even betrayal, at the hands of the system is part of the reason for why so many of them aren't backing Clinton and recently polls are showing Trump and Clinton closer now than they have ever been.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
BS. Hillary is getting the poor and the minorities, who have much more to complain about. Sanders has the support of the young and white men, not exactly the most oppressed groups.
Hope is the denial of reality
All this talk of so called betrayal is pure poppycock
I wasn't lumping the oppressed in the same group as those that I mentioned. I'm referring more to individuals that are currently active in the selection process and how they are discovering how badly the system is rigged. The caucuses we've already discussed, the superdelegates, the chaos in Nevada. Its become such an issue that Trump is already using Sanders as a weapon against Clinton and the Dems.
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 05-19-2016 at 11:51 AM.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
A) Sanders knew the rules of the game when he signed up.
B) Hillary would be doing even better under GOP rules.
Hope is the denial of reality
So? This is politics, what do you think the underlying reality has to do with anything?
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
They have the right to whine and everyone else has to right to mock them for their whining.
Last edited by Loki; 05-19-2016 at 07:26 PM.
Hope is the denial of reality
Fuzzy jokes, but everything relies on how the public perceives it. Sander supporters think they are getting shafted, and we've covered a lot of the reasons why they are justified in thinking so already. The fact that its politics as usual doesn't magically placate these people, it only deepens the problem.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Who is joking? We're not arguing about policy here, we're talking about the impulses being election sentiments and voting decisions. That's image, perception, and emotion. None of which constitute the reality of the candidates.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
They are the same people who whine about refs being biased against their team all the time.
Hope is the denial of reality
As a San Antonio Spurs fan I think there is a bit of reality to that. (At least when it comes to Joey Crawford who ejected the 'thuggish' Tim Duncan who we all know is one of the worst role models in the NBA and a well known trouble maker.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ4HbJ1bKKs
Though it did lead to the hilarious Onion article:
http://www.theonion.com/article/tim-...ree-enoug-5668
Hey!How do you teach the definitions in your classes?
Exactly. "We're all Socialists now"....because we use tax dollars, with legislative approval, for things like Public Education, Public Health, Public Pensions/Social Security, etc. that are available to everyone (not just welfare for the poor). And in case anyone's forgotten financial crises and federal bail-outs, we have a Socialized banking system, too.
The problems come when a government owns, operates, and controls entire industries, exclusively. Like the oil sector in Venezuela, or the press/media in China, or real estate/housing in Cuba. Most western democracies try to use the government to regulate markets, not own them.
Not to diminish Venezuela's near collapse (or Brazil's, for that matter) but American Capitalism hasn't been going so great, either:
http://time.com/4327419/american-cap...-great-crisis/
Call me when we have lines for toilet paper.
We don't have lines for toilet paper, or bread...but we still have people who couldn't afford to buy those things at "market cost", without government subsidies.
edit: try another commodity, like potable water. The rural poor traditionally relied on their own well water....but big ag and fracking has contaminated that. When city water was expanded to poor areas, places like Flint, MI showed how that could be contaminated, too.
Why blame SSSocialism when governance can fail in Capitalism just as easily?
Last edited by GGT; 05-20-2016 at 05:39 AM.
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