1st we talk about the UK.
2nd, you clearly missed the bold part of the quote.
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
Believe what you want. And yes it makes a difference. You can not seriously imply any deal is more valuable to the UK no matter what. That's totally insane.
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
And to complete the analogy if you ate desperate for it you can always get it at a high cost
I don't think that per se, it really depends on how the negotiations will go. It's just that a lot of the leave campaign give the impression that they can get whatever they want and the EU will take that deal, and that is definitely not true. I'm pretty positive a deal will happen, as that is the best for all, but I'm also pretty sure the UK won't get the same trade benefits they have now when they want to cancel just the things they don't like.
What makes you think that one implies the other? Look, I don't say that the talks between the UK and the EU couldn't fail, of course they can, but I find it rather pessimistic to assume that they will.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
That is a misinterpretation of article 50 that is addressed by those who've discussed the matter.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
It depends if you're talking about ignorant talking heads or polemic politicians with no credibility, or the British government. I think the government is acting with great maturity right now and despite some hysteria from the likes of Hollande and Hazir are acting with traditional British spirit of "keep calm and carry on".
keep calm and carry on with what?
Congratulations America
Problem is when the government does that but doesn't make its case for the public, giving them false hopes. Which is I guess fine for them as long as they lose, otherwise you end up backtracking on their promises, say, within hours after the results come in. I wouldn't be surprised if the process takes too long people will get pissed off and feel betrayed. Nobody campaigned loudly on "we're going to leave two years after we think it's a reasonable time to stay the process which may be well in the future". (And that's besides the point that they did loudly campaign on promises they know they can't all deliver - and yes I an aware that's a general problem in politics).
It's actions like that which leads to 'politicians' like Trump of you ask me.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
I would like to remind the posters in this thread that you are not the negotiators. You do not need to take any kind of "stance" for negotiation purposes, you will have absolutely zero effect on the negotiations, whatever they may be, no matter what you post here. Which means you can go ahead and just be honest about how negotiations are going to go. So kindly cut out all the posturing bullshit. You aren't the EU or the UK.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Good for you.
Being members of the Single Market has that string. I'd be OK accessing the market as members (ie the Swiss or Norway model) but there are other options available too (aka the Sweden model, the Turkey model etc) that don't have free migration.
Which "Sweden model", specifically?
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Sorry, did a long shift yesterday and wrote that afterwards tired. It was meant to be "Canada model".
Looks like negotiations (which funnily enough have already started despite no A50 yet) are already pointing towards a form of Single Market membership outside the EU with an enhanced temporary restriction on free movement, based on Cameron's deal but going a bit further: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...on-seven-years - I wonder who could have predicted that
The Guardian has been posting a lot of rubbish recently, mostly adding up to Brexit isn't Brexit.
Even that 'idea' is just giving you 7 years as new EEA member to not allow free movement from the get-go. After that period you'd still materially be in exactly the same position as Norway, Switzerland and Iceland.
If this deal needs ratification I will support a referendum on it in The Netherlands, and I will vote against it.
Congratulations America
Maybe they're hoping to exit fully or renegotiate after the seven years are up. Not sure this counts as negotiations.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?