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    Default Big breasts in gaming

    When you hear about Gamergate and the opposing arguments, you see something interesting.
    Extreme feminism seem to be a branch of socialism that shows the class war between privileged male oppressor elite and the female proletarian victim.
    They are messing with absolutely everything, saying that all women are harassed, and that women are "objectfied" and they look for ways to add rights and remove responsibilities (like abortion that objectfies babies).
    The ways in which women are portrayed do not seem very different than the way artists like body builder Julie Bell portrays women.
    Why are women attractive in games? Because you would not want to have a female version of Mr Plinkett (from RedLetterMedia) as the star of your game.

    In the last two games Lara Croft use to have small breasts. Why? Because it would make girls feel bad.
    So if women with large breasts are not to be used to portray sexy women, small ones will do? I find it creepy, because big breasts are a sign of adulthood, just like big muscles show this man is not a kid. Should we ban men with big muscles too, or perhaps make Unchartered have Mr Plinkett as the star?

    I feel it is bad to discriminate women with big breasts by banning them from game.
    I find that the attempts of "ban women" under the argument of "how women are portrayed" could be envy from women who do not look like that.
    The life of women with big breasts is not easy:

    * They are hard to accomodate inside clothes, swimsuits are nightmarish.
    * During these days of the month, inflammation caused by hormones cause size changes.
    * Sweating is a nightmare
    * People notice them too much.
    * Size differences are noticeable.
    * V necklines makes them too noticeable
    * It makes it harder to fit inside a dress
    * A cocktail dress for a woman small breasts will make the woman with large breasts look like a hooker (a problem that American women have to fit inside South Korean dresses).
    * Cannot go out without a bra.
    * People do not look at the face.
    * There will always be someone criticizing your breast
    * When wearing swinsuits, your neck will suffer
    * Problems in the back if breasts are too heavy
    * It is impossible not to be noticed
    * Running and doing sports forces you to wear special garments, or the bouncing will become not pleasant.
    * It is like having a backpack all the time, you cannot put aside.

    Life of these women are not as easy as it looks.
    I feel feminism lots its way. If it was about equality, fine, but if it is a new form of socialism, then get lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ar81 View Post
    Gamergate
    When the sky above us fell
    We descended into hell
    Into kingdom come

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    Just... oh my. I can't do this.
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    The life of women with video-game sized breasts can certainly be difficult in some of the ways you describe.

    However, that's not particularly relevant to the issue of feminism vis a vis video games and your post is off the mark.

    No-one in this debate has seriously claimed that women with huge breasts have it "easy" so your list of giant gazonga grievances is irrelevant.

    If you want to understand the core issues it would be better if you began with the tropes vs. women in video games youtube series and then explored these issues with an open mind. Your post shows that you're working from

    Some of your assertions are false or misleading. For example, adult women do not necessarily have ginormous breasts, nor do all adult men have ginormous muscles.

    The remark about abortion is kinda nonsensical.

    Other than that,

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Video games are entertainment. If people are entertained by big breasts (or big muscles for the guys) what's the problem? The new Puritans of this era are feminists.

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    This is just a symptom of the bigger problem of online games having a toxic atmosphere for female gamers. Play any competitive online game as a female and see how long before the dick pics and rape threats come in.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Lewk's voting for Trump in November
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    That's different. One is abuse, one is entertainment.

    Is there something wrong with big breasted women? Are big breasted women second class citizens? They exist, so why should they not be in video games? To portray big breasted women as remotely equivalent to rape either trivialises rape or demonises breasts. Either way you are insane.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    That's different. One is abuse, one is entertainment.

    Is there something wrong with big breasted women? Are big breasted women second class citizens? They exist, so why should they not be in video games? To portray big breasted women as remotely equivalent to rape either trivialises rape or demonises breasts. Either way you are insane.
    You should probably re-read what he wrote because he didn't equate big breasted video game characters with rape.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    You should probably re-read what he wrote because he didn't equate big breasted video game characters with rape.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    This is just a symptom of the bigger problem of online games having a toxic atmosphere for female gamers. Play any competitive online game as a female and see how long before the dick pics and rape threats come in.
    Big breasts are not a symptom, a symptom is a bad thing. They are not part of a toxic atmosphere. Big breasts are not a bad thing.

    Is there something wrong with big breasted women?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    You're right, big breasts are not themselves a bad thing or a symptom (in general). However, we're not talking about the occurrence of big breasts in the general population, we're talking about the pervasiveness of that kind of imagery in video games arising from deliberate decisions by those who make video games without regard for women or the problems that arise from their constant objectification.

    Racism can range from implicit biases against black people to threatening niggers to outright hanging them. That doesn't mean that implicit bias or not calling a person with a "Black" name to an interview is the same as calling someone a nigger, let alone lynching black people. But they're all expressions of the same underlying problems.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Rather than shadow-boxing I suggest you treat yourself to an introduction to the actual problems discussed in the context of this subject eg. through a look at the videos in the FemFreq "tropes vs. women" series. They're not particularly objectionable.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    As for Lara Croft in the recent games, I'm fairly sure that, reduced size notwithstanding, her boobs are still on display for the player's viewing pleasure, with plenty of cleavage shots and the like. The reduced boob-size doesn't reflect a desire to placate feminists. It reflects the changing preferences of game-designers. Sex is still at the core of the game and Lara Croft has gone from being kickass to being a tool for stoking the machismo of male gamers.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    The inability of certain people here to put themselves into the shoes of more marginalized groups is simply breathtaking. I hate the term "white privilege", but wow, those people really need to take their blinders off. Not everyone has lived the life of a middle class white male.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The inability of certain people here to put themselves into the shoes of more marginalized groups is simply breathtaking. I hate the term "white privilege", but wow, those people really need to take their blinders off. Not everyone has lived the life of a middle class white male.
    Perhaps people who have the luxury of considering whether or not the breast sizes of popular video game characters constitutes objectification and/or marginalization aren't in the best position to decry privilege.

    When a leisure activity with a relatively high economic barrier of entry is deserving of that level of focus and scrutiny you are probably living a fairly privileged life. When you make a career around that research, and raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to create YouTube videos that might be doubly true.

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    Miss the part where I said this is but a symptom of how women are treated by gamers and the video game industry? Or is complaining about female gamers constantly receiving rape threats evidence of a privileged life as well?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Miss the part where I said this is but a symptom of how women are treated by gamers and the video game industry? Or is complaining about female gamers constantly receiving rape threats evidence of a privileged life as well?
    I am not a woman, but if you are asking me if I have ever received a threat online while playing a video game, the answer would be yes - though admittedly it has been years since I have played online multiplayer games to any great extent. At that time it was hardly unheard of for the ignorant and immature to say they were going to rape, kill, or perform some awful combination thereof to their opponents and rarely was the gender of either party firmly established.

    As far as those who would take the threats into the real world, I think that both male and female gamers have been doxxed and SWATted. I'm not familiar with any cases of sexual assault stemming from online interactions in a game, though I admit the possibility certainly exists, and plead a relatively high level of ignorance on the particulars of this subject.

    More to the point, I believe that simply being in a position where you have the time, means, ability, and opportunity to play video games, especially games played competitively over the internet, is indicative of a level of privilege that many in the world could only dream of. As is being in a position to complain about the subject matter, content, or the physical characteristics of a polygonal character's physique in a work of interactive fiction.
    Last edited by Enoch the Red; 07-20-2016 at 08:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The inability of certain people here to put themselves into the shoes of more marginalized groups is simply breathtaking. I hate the term "white privilege", but wow, those people really need to take their blinders off. Not everyone has lived the life of a middle class white male.
    You muppet.

    Without going into details as it's not "sexual" IMO, my wife and her family have larger breasts.

    I don't see it as a bad thing. If you're saying there's something wrong with her, I disagree.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Miss the part where I said this is but a symptom of how women are treated by gamers and the video game industry? Or is complaining about female gamers constantly receiving rape threats evidence of a privileged life as well?
    Who has dismissed rape threats?

    Rape (and threats) = evil, needs to be dealt with.
    Misogyny = Needs to be dealt with.
    Dick picks and other harassment = Needs to be dealt with.

    Buxom characters = Get over it
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    When female privilege backfires...
    https://youtu.be/5eqYEVYZgdo
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    You guys should vote for Trump tho' he'll order video-game companies to make breasts jiggle more tantalizingly.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You muppet.

    Without going into details as it's not "sexual" IMO, my wife and her family have larger breasts.

    I don't see it as a bad thing. If you're saying there's something wrong with her, I disagree.
    Do I have to spell out the blindingly obvious fact that the portion of women with large breasts is significantly higher in video games than in real life? And that most characters with said breasts are scantily clad? Even when the characters are meant to be warriors?



    Compare that to the male characters in Soul Calibur 5.

    So in case it's still not obvious: male characters in video games have all kinds of functions and personalities. Female characters are almost always there to titillate the predominantly male gamers.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    I wonder if that shit's explained in the lore in some way.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Hah. The lore of Soul Calibur is basically: "Here are some dudes who are fighting to gain the sword. The end."
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    that most characters with said breasts are scantily clad? Even when the characters are meant to be warriors?

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    I have a magazine from a decade ago, Girls of Gaming. Gonna have to scan it if I can find it in all on my moving boxes. Shit hasn't changed a bit.


    and I'm fine with that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The inability of certain people here to put themselves into the shoes of more marginalized groups is simply breathtaking. I hate the term "white privilege", but wow, those people really need to take their blinders off. Not everyone has lived the life of a middle class white male.
    lol 'breathtaking'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Do I have to spell out the blindingly obvious fact that the portion of women with large breasts is significantly higher in video games than in real life? And that most characters with said breasts are scantily clad? Even when the characters are meant to be warriors?
    Do I have to spell out the blindingly obvious fact that the portion of men with large muscles is significantly higher in video games than in real life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Lewk's voting for Trump in November
    Nope - Gary Johnson all the way. Proudly part of NeverTrump. Though if he does win I can't say I will be greatly amused by wailing coming from the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    You're right, big breasts are not themselves a bad thing or a symptom (in general). However, we're not talking about the occurrence of big breasts in the general population, we're talking about the pervasiveness of that kind of imagery in video games arising from deliberate decisions by those who make video games without regard for women or the problems that arise from their constant objectification.
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    Man I really hope the Puritan Left join the Authoritarian Right and the folks for free trade and low government intervention join whichever opposite party exists.

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