No I'm talking about situations where a suspect is eg aggressive and irrational and reaches for a pocket and a nervy cop pulls the trigger thinking they are reaching for a gun before the suspect pulls the trigger themselves.
Or even situations where a suspect is armed and dangerous and waving a gun around and is shot even though the suspect hasn't actually pulled the trigger yet.
Taking action before the suspect starts shooting would still be self-defence even if the cop is the first to pull the trigger.
mandatory 'de-escalation' training would be a good start. Implementing such training should have always been a requirement. Instead its news when departments finally cave to it.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
It's what I meant by preemptive, the cop is preempting the suspect pulling the trigger.
And I'm talking all along about cops that have assessed the threat. That is why all my talk of risk and threat has been relevant. If the cops are not acting rationally and relative to the threats (real or perceived) then there is a problem.
Please provide non-circular support for this claim. I'm perfectly willing to accept that men are more likely to act in a way that causes the police to use force than women are, I am not willing to concede that African-Americans are more likely to do so than whites when stopped, and particularly not that African-American women are almost as likely as white men to do so.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
we're talking about a profession who is legally allowed to not hire people it thinks are to smart, who encourages a no snitches stance, that uses "good" cops to cover up for bad cops, that institutionally ingrains in its workforce that everyone is out to kill you (which I do believe you've defended before).
You can't justify the deplorable actions to tinted perceptions as people being people and think everything is mostly honky dory, cause its not.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
http://m.heraldmailmedia.com/news/br...e6df6cdf9.html
Fuckers went to the RB-Lewkowski Police Academy for Fuckwits no doubt. Disturbing video.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
http://www.dailywire.com/news/9108/w...prestigiacomo#
"“With that said, that day that I shot myself, the police…came through there; they knocked the doors down; I was on the floor; they hopped over me, looking for the drugs,” said Wayne. “It was a white police that ran up and stopped, and said, ‘What the f*ck are ya’ll doing? Do you not see this baby on the floor?’”
“He picked me up, bought me to the hospital himself. He was white," said Wayne. "
Don't resist and you are less likely to get injured during the arrest. This should be basic logic and anyone incapable of following basic logic needs to be treated with the utmost caution because who knows what a crazy fool will do. Fifteen is old enough to make adult decisions (proof is they can be tried as adults) so that isn't an excuse. While the officers *may* have used more force than absolutely necessary she was the one who escalated the situation by not complying. In a civilized society resisting arrest should not be tolerated.
Remind me which part of the constitution or our legal system says the punishment for non-violently resisting arrest is punishable by death.
Hope is the denial of reality
The imaginary part you think I'm quoting? Hell if I know. if you resist arrest there are only a few possible options.
1. Mentally impaired either medically or because you took something
2. Dangerous levels of idiocy
3. A wanted criminal
Resisting arrest should immediately ratchet up the suspicion of the officer and put them on their guard. In each case you have something on your hands that is a clear and present danger to society at large.
In point of fact, the police do not actually have the authority to use force to just detain you at will. They have to actually be arresting you to gain the authority to forcibly detain you and consequently for you to potentially be resisting arrest, and they weren't initially arresting the girl when the altercation turned physical. They didn't decide to arrest her until afterward, to cover their asses. Before that they were just using force to try and make her do what they had decided she ought to do.
It's not wise to resist the police regardless of whether they're arresting you or not, as several posted stories regarding people who try to intervene make clear, because they have a lot more power available to them in such instances than you do, but that doesn't mean they have legitimate authority to use that power which means if you want to be unwise, that's entirely your right and cannot be any sort of legitimate cause for suspicion.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
More likely the officers provoked a very strong fear reaction in her due to their lack of basic decency and were too fucking incompetent to know how to deal with the consequences like decent human beings. The spraying was unjustified and the bullshit about needing to take her to a hospital because of possible injuries was obviously a lie.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
If they were truly worried about a potentially life threatening injury there is no reason why they couldn't take her straight to the hospital for an assessment. If necessary they could restrain her far better and more safely at a hospital, with better supervision. It's possible things are different in the US wrt rules, but it is a common enough occurrence here that I've gotten to know--superficially--a number of the cops who work in my town from their visits to the ER with all sorts of "unmanageable" people.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
What is funny is that a good chunk of Americans who feel they need a constitutionally guaranteed gun in their pocket, are the same people who want the police to act like the US is a lawless police state.
Congratulations America
Ditto. The same people who think everyone should have a gun think it's ok for the police to shoot any black man who might be carrying one.
Hope is the denial of reality
I don't think they were, it was just that she was a minor and I expect they (or more likely the paramedics who the police decided to use force to support) had a rule to follow. In all probability a rule which exists primarily to ward off lawsuits, just like the later asinine charges and arrest the police undertook were to ward off/occupy the lawyer the family could be expected to hire in the face of their behavior.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Of course by taking her to the lockup they were really exposing themselves to risk of a lawsuit because, even though they were lying about their reasons, she should indeed have been taken to a hospital
Absolutely fucked-up either way. Glad she didn't get shot, or suffocated, or banged about.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Ironically, or tragically, RB the twitchy zookeeper could probably get a job as a cop:
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop...-dog-body-cam/
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Says the person who thinks a cop feeling threatened, even if there's no objective reason for that belief, is sufficient for them to shoot someone.
Hope is the denial of reality
Says the person who likes to gripe about the issue but doesn't propose solutions.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"