http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-blac...ack-1473631079
"In 2016 nearly 3,000 people have been shot in the city, an average of one victim every two hours."
Do black lives only matter in police shootings?
Happy now BLM?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-blac...ack-1473631079
"In 2016 nearly 3,000 people have been shot in the city, an average of one victim every two hours."
Do black lives only matter in police shootings?
http://ijr.com/2016/09/685151-after-...t-2015-totals/
"The rise in gang-related violence could be attributed to increased timidity among police forces around the country in the wake of multiple high-profile "police brutality" cases. These incidents sparked a wave of protests and riots in Baltimore, New York, Ferguson, Milwaukee, and elsewhere.
The anti-law enforcement sentiment swept up by these riots has led to multiple murders of police, including NYPD officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu, as well as the "Dallas Five," who were gunned down by a man who, according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown, said he wanted to kill white police officers.
Independent Journal Review spoke with Heather Mac Donald, author of "The War on Cops," and fellow at the Manhattan Institute, about the issue.
Mac Donald noted that the primary factor contributing to the spike in Chicago's violent crime rate is that "cops are backing off of proactive policing, and criminals are becoming emboldened."
"Pedestrian stops are down about 90% in Chicago. As the police union head told me last month, cops are just not 'clearing the corners' anymore. Out of those groups of youth hanging out, loitering, often emerges drive-by shootings and other forms of gang violence.""
If only there was a way to police neighborhoods without shooting every remotely threatening black person.
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I believe you will find it is a feature, not a bug!Originally Posted by Loki
If only there was a way to police neighborhoods without shooting every remotely threatening black person.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
If only there was a way for you not to make egregiously overdramatic remarks.If only there was a way to police neighborhoods without shooting every remotely threatening black person.
If every remotely threatening black person was shot there'd be little to no shootings next year as they'd have all been shot already
And as you know it's very easy for a black person to go from being threatening to non threatening. Wear a hoodie, become a teenager, develop mental illness, go outside the house etc
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The title should be, "Happy now, incompetent cops?"
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Posted on the first page in 2016.The title should be, "Happy now, incompetent cops?"
After 4 years, Lewk still doesn't understand the BLM movement. And since AG Barr says "there's no systemic racism in the judicial system"....it's clear that many *white* people in power still don't understand.
Nonsense. There are enough black people and few enough cops and a large enough area to cover that they'd be able to keep it up for years depending on how good the precinct coffee is.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Yes I'm sure the people who have shot the 3000 victims this year had never left the house, owned no hoodies, had no mental illnesses and were pre-teenage last year
That was in response to you implying that we'd run out of threatening black people.Yes I'm sure the people who have shot the 3000 victims this year had never left the house, owned no hoodies, had no mental illnesses and were pre-teenage last year
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Which was in response to the claim "every" one was shot. I put a caveat and said "little to no" ... new arrivals to being threatening would fall under the little.
LOL, I thought your title was referring to Bureau of Land Management... sigh....
I think the thrust of the Black Lives Matter complaint is that black people aren't safe from the police, the institution that's supposed to protect all of us from criminals. We all expect gang members fighting over turf to shoot each other, and for local innocents to get caught in the cross-fire, but nobody should expect to be shot by police in a traffic stop. Arguably its easier to get police forces to stop shooting black people who clearly are not a threat than it is to get gangsters to stop shooting each other. Once the police can be trusted more, maybe there can be more cooperation from the black community to deal with the drug violence more effectively.
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Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
The slogan is Black Lives Matter. Its clearly a protest about police but if you look at the broader picture the protests actually have probably led to more black people being dead than if they had never protested at all.
I think the point of the movement is to get police officers to stop shooting black people for no just reason. Whether it has also resulted in police officers to pull back from law enforcement in majority black neighborhoods - resulting in unchecked gang violence - and whether that result is a punitive reaction by police, is a separate issue. Though I agree it is an issue that needs to be addressed. I think the bigger picture is that policing in black communities needs to function properly -- meaning no shooting people for no just reason, while at the same time enforcing the law. Do you believe that is unreasonable?
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
There are different types of police shootings.
1. Completely justified police shootings
2. Police shootings where not a lot of information is known
3. Police shootings that were questionable - reasonable people can view it one way or another
4. Obviously bad/unethical police work
The problem is that ANY of these types of examples lead to violence and rioting. Such as the Milwaukee riots recently where there is no doubt that it was a good shot. This creates an atmosphere among the police of "well shit... even if we do our jobs properly we are still going to get in trouble." Is it any wonder they don't want to go into a no-win situation for them? We're already asking them to risk their lives dealing with the criminal scum of humanity, when they do their jobs properly they still get hounded? Insane. Pulling back from the communities that cry 'racism' and 'police abuse' regardless of the actual presence of racism and abuse is only logical.
Solutions to the problems of police abuse is body cameras. Vigilant prosecution of CLEAR bad actors and COMPLETE 100% support of the police officers who do their job properly. Right now police officers are under fire (in a very literal sense - assassinations in Dallas and elsewhere) receive little public support and get media vilification.
Their pullback has caused death and property damage and that is very sad but in the long run the pros may outweigh the cons since the community will realize that the criminal element in their community is far far more dangerous to them than any police force.
No, the problem is that 3 & 4 have historically occurred way too often to black people and, until recently, incidents have traditionally been covered up, ignored or otherwise unaddressed by local governments. It's only since the videos, protests and riots that local governments have even acknowledged that these things have been happening and the wider US community has even believed there was a problem. This problem has to be demonstrably fixed first in order to foster a level of trust between black communities and local police, then crime issues can be more effectively addressed.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
The only reason all of them can sometimes lead to such a result is because #3 & #4 are so wearily familiar in these communities. There is no benefit of the doubt accorded to the police because it is demonstrated every day that they don't deserve it. They've forfeited these communities trust.
This is not a chicken and the egg situation. The police are the ones that made this bed.Such as the Milwaukee riots recently where there is no doubt that it was a good shot. This creates an atmosphere among the police of "well shit... even if we do our jobs properly we are still going to get in trouble."
That would be nice. But it mostly doesn't happen. It CERTAINLY happens less often, proportionally, to the police getting attacked for what were actually lawful AND reasonable actions.Solutions to the problems of police abuse is body cameras. Vigilant prosecution of CLEAR bad actors and COMPLETE 100% support of the police officers who do their job properly.
I wouldn't be so sure. The guardians actually have to be held to a higher standard than the lawless elements they guard against.Their pullback has caused death and property damage and that is very sad but in the long run the pros may outweigh the cons since the community will realize that the criminal element in their community is far far more dangerous to them than any police force.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
And the problem is that 3 and 4 are often presented as 1, with the police working against the investigation. Their concern should be justice/truth, not covering their own asses. Oh and because of this, 1 will also be protested against, because people don't trust the police when they say it was justified. Police who cried wolf, something like that.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
West Virginia cop fired for not killing a man with an unloaded gun
"just a few bad apples"
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Christ. What shitheads.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
That's a difficult situation the right call probably would have been to shoot the guy - if a guy is waving his gun around, is suicidal how likely would it be for it to go off and kill someone? Like I said tough call, the officer in question is clearly an amazing individual who analyzed the situation perfectly and made the right call. He knew what he was doing but I don't think everyone is going to have the same level of discernment and skill at reading a situation. As a citizen I'd much rather have the crazy guy waving a gun acting suicidal put down than him be a risk to others.
Firing him seems really stupid though.
He knew what he was doing because he'd been trained in how to deal with situations like that. He had training. He was trained.
People who carry firearms as part of their day to day work need to be trained, and not just in marksmanship.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
That's a high bar. I think the guy knew what he was doing due to his prior employment.
What's hilarious and tragic is that some cops oppose the use of bodycams, sometimes collectively:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/loc...n_body_cameras
Of course, even when you have to wear a bodycam, there's nothing to stop it from malfunctioning or being turned off at opportune moments.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I wouldn't want to wear a body cam at work with the video available for authorities to examine whenever they want. But of course, my job doesn't entail the power and authority to kill people either.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Quite the opposite I think it is old, which is why it is a chicken and egg situation. Every police officer alive and on active duty today has always known such violence. Every black criminal alive today has always known such violence. This is a classic chicken and egg situation and I fail to see how a migration nearly a century ago was the Police making this bed ...
We're talking about the communities and their reaction to police action, both lawful and unlawful. Remember? Go take another look at that reply I wrote to Lewk which prompted your objection. You're going to sit there and claim that the African-American community inculcated the belief in the various police departments that their default response is to riot?
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
I'm going to sit there and claim that "the African-American community"* has inculcated the belief in the various police departments that they are more violent and dangerous and self-defence is a bigger issue, yes absolutely. The Police are reacting to consistently the most violent criminal offenders in the nation, not just rioters.
* I hate that phrase, its not a community, it's criminals who are African-American not the entire community that are the issue - just as its the bad eggs within the Police that are the issue too.
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